What is advanced?

[sivlogkart]

Hi!

Can someone explain the reasons for putting particular topics in the
advanced section of this site? Basically my confusion is that any
method to open any lock could be used for crime, and the material in
the open section would get you into almost every house in my area, but
how to get into cars is in the advanced section, even though my car is
worth less than my house contents.

Also many older cars can be entered using the material on the open
section, though it is true that most newer cars need different
tricks.

Also anything about getting into cars is in the closed section, even though there are many simple tricks for doing this, even with some newer cars. That is lock bypass methods etc.

KJ

[Chrispy]

Basically, although this site is dedicated to the manipulation of locks, some information and techniques must be given some level of restriction for those people who can just visit this site (not even register) and view.

Topics such as high security locks (which are often used for purposes which require a higher level of security than your average desk drawer, and hence would be slightly unethical to allow just anyone to view), combination/safes (which are obviously high security and are used for storing important and/or valuable items) and automobiles (which a member recently described as something that can disappear from your driveway at 2am compared to your house, which would be slightly harder to move ) must be given this restriction.

Once you have proven your committment to the site or your intentions are valid, you will be given this access. It's a way of weeding out the people who just want the information for criminal or 'suspect' purposes. If you have any questions or queries, contact a moderator or admin and they will answer what questions you have. Alternatively, you can visit here:

http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=2474

and this will explain it better. The integrity of our site and members must be maintained, this is simply a way of doing that.

[sivlogkart]

I do see where you are coming from on this, and it is this sort of reason why my own domain is not used to post any public material of our own on lockpicking, but just to point to interesting preexisting documents and sites.

I am interested in seeing the advanced stuff, and hope to contribute to it. I wonder however if I will see it and think 'Oh, that again ... ' or learn something new. Time will tell, though 3 months is a long time to wait!

KJ

[Chrispy]

It's judged on posts (quality, helpfulness, maturity, etc.) and not how long you hang out for it. Then again, I've seen members with fewer than 100 posts being accepted. Keep at it.

[treboR]

Hi!

Can someone explain the reasons for putting particular topics in the
advanced section of this site? Basically my confusion is that any
method to open any lock could be used for crime, and the material in
the open section would get you into almost every house in my area, but
how to get into cars is in the advanced section, even though my car is
worth less than my house contents.

Also many older cars can be entered using the material on the open
section, though it is true that most newer cars need different
tricks.

Also anything about getting into cars is in the closed section, even though there are many simple tricks for doing this, even with some newer cars. That is lock bypass methods etc.

KJ

It is VERY easy to find information on how to pick a standard pin tumbler lock on the internet. So there is not much point in trying to restrict that type of information.

On the other hand, detailed info on high security locks, automotive entry, and safecracking is NOT easy to come by. This type of information should not be accessible to every curious person on the net.

I think it is reasonable that the moderators on this forum want to get to know someone before they let them know how to bypass high security locks, and gain entry into cars and safes.

[sivlogkart]

I can see you have to draw a line somewhere, the question is where.

KJ

[Chrispy]

I can see you have to draw a line somewhere, the question is where.

At High Security Locks, Combination, Electronic and Safes, Automotive Locks and Picks, and Advanced Lock Pick Tools.

[TOWCH]

My impression of what constitutes advanced is automotive in general, and bypass except low security. I think picking is fair game and up to the author except in the case of automotive, safes in general but links to things already on the web(IE HowStuffWorks, Matt Blaze) are the exception, and tools regarding all of the above.

[vector40]

It is VERY easy to find information on how to pick a standard pin tumbler lock on the internet. So there is not much point in trying to restrict that type of information.

On the other hand, detailed info on high security locks, automotive entry, and safecracking is NOT easy to come by. This type of information should not be accessible to every curious person on the net.

You know, this is interesting, because it seems to be more or less the actual reasoning here... but if you think of it, it's basically nothing more than a security-by-obscurity approach that happens to ignore some information as a lost cause.

We don't believe "information should be open." We just believe that some of it's already too widely available to try to restrict

[Peter Martin]

I would guess that information on "picking" high security locks would be useless to most of lockpickers. Having the information and then applying it--for hours--with a dedication are probably two different things. In any case it does take considerable self-study, but the boards would probably be nice just to see if your idea/tool/technique has been tried before.

Failing a body of people as a sounding board, review the diagrams of the locks you are interested in, and think: how do I duplicate the action of the key? If nothing else, it's a great mental exercise.

However, I think a better question might be: Is all information on picking UL-listed locks considered "high security" for the terms of these boards?

[Mad Mick]

FWIW, there are some 'tricks' contained within the advanced sections, which contributing members feel should not be for general public consumption. The advanced section is not an elite club, it's an area where like-minded, proven individuals can share more in-depth approaches and methods, without fear of their information being ripped off and sold on Ebay, as has been done by previously-trusted LP101 members from the public section.

[ThE_MasteR]

I do see where you are coming from on this, and it is this sort of reason why my own domain is not used to post any public material of our own on lockpicking, but just to point to interesting preexisting documents and sites.

I am interested in seeing the advanced stuff, and hope to contribute to it. I wonder however if I will see it and think 'Oh, that again ... ' or learn something new. Time will tell, though 3 months is a long time to wait!

KJ

HAHA 3 months is not a long time to wait..!!!!! When I first got interested int lock picking, it's because I heard about automotive picking. When I applyed here, I couldn't post for 3 months, but I then got intersted in picking padlocks, deadbolts and others.

I am still waiting to be invited, it's now over 7 months. I stopped e-mailing the mods asking every moth or 2 if I can get in, and they then tell me to read the forum rules. I can almost tell you by heart the forum rules.

[Chrispy]

I am still waiting to be invited, it's now over 7 months. I stopped e-mailing the mods asking every moth or 2 if I can get in, and they then tell me to read the forum rules. I can almost tell you by heart the forum rules.

[sivlogkart]

Mad Mick, that is a good point! --- but I am stunned that it is true!

KJ