I pwn t3h m3d3c0z in 5 m1nut35!

by **Heliox** » 17 Sep 2005 16:47

I bought a medeco 5 pin biaxial sidebar lock on ebay last week. I dismantled it a couple of days ago and started looking at how it worked. After fiddling with the sidebar for about 10 minutes today, I sat down with it and picked it twice in about 20 minutes. I managed to get 4 pins about 3 times, but all 5 got pwned twice in about 5 minutes each.

Are these things really this easy? The pin seems to rotate itself into place if have have little enough pressure on the sidebar. My hand has totally cramped up at this point need a (vise) so I'll try some more tomorrow, but I'm REALLY disappointed in Medeco now.

I need something to replace my Primus with. Until today, Medeco was going to be it. I'm not sure if I should be thrilled or depressed.

Topic name mercilessly stolen from n2oah.

by **quickpicks** » 17 Sep 2005 16:51

did you forget the sidebar springs because that would be the reason why........

by **TOWCH** » 17 Sep 2005 17:06

Why are you replacing your Primus?

by **n2oah** » 17 Sep 2005 18:18

Heliox wrote:Topic name mercilessly stolen from n2oah.

My sig always is an attention-getter.

by **HeadHunterCEO** » 17 Sep 2005 20:55

31337

by **treboR** » 17 Sep 2005 21:15

5 minutes is a pretty long time to spend trying to pick a lock(for a criminal). If I was robbing someones house I would want to be gone before 5 minutes was up.
Also keep in mind that you are very familiar with this lock. You knew the pinning before you tried to pick it. :wink:

What is wrong with your primus?

by **digital_blue** » 17 Sep 2005 21:26

I've gotta think that you have a particularily easy pin setup or something (for the love of all that's holy I hope, for my own sanity, that's the case). My own experiences with a medeco were not quite so accommodating...

db

by **zeke79** » 17 Sep 2005 21:28

Heliox wrote::shock:
I bought a medeco 5 pin biaxial sidebar lock on ebay last week. I dismantled it a couple of days ago and started looking at how it worked. After fiddling with the sidebar for about 10 minutes today, I sat down with it and picked it twice in about 20 minutes. I managed to get 4 pins about 3 times, but all 5 got pwned twice in about 5 minutes each.

Are these things really this easy? The pin seems to rotate itself into place if have have little enough pressure on the sidebar. My hand has totally cramped up at this point need a (vise) so I'll try some more tomorrow, but I'm REALLY disappointed in Medeco now. I need something to replace my Primus with. Until today, Medeco was going to be it. I'm not sure if I should be thrilled or depressed.

Topic name mercilessly stolen from n2oah.

Heliox,

Congrats on the pick!! I have found that some of the 5 pin biaxials are easier than others. Do you have a picture of the key? How many L R cuts are there? I find that if the locks have been heavily used or a bit dirty that they seem to be easier to pick as they want to "seek" out the correct rotation on their own. Try taking the lock apart again and cleaning it with brake cleaner or electrical contact cleaner and then lightly lubricating it and reassemble. I have found that this will put some challenge back into the lock, but the 5 pin locks are just not near the challenge of the 6 pin locks. The L R bittings in my opinion seem to make a difference on the difficulty also. The C bitting for some reason seem to be easier for me to feel out and set. I hope this helps out some. Let us know if this makes you lock any more difficult.

by **Heliox** » 18 Sep 2005 0:23

I only removed the plug from the (fawk i forgot the term) shell? The sidebar and pins never got removed. The springs are intact. I am ONLY applying verticle pressure on the pins. They set and the sidebar moves inward. I tried it with the plug removed and watched the pins rotate as they caught. the pressure has to be very minor.

Key cuts are left left right right right. no center cuts. In all honesty, I'm not convinced that it wasn't dumb luck. But twice in 20 minutes had me kinda freaked out.

I'm replacing the Schlage Primus because I've learned that they can be bumped. I'll buy a better medeco in a few weeks. If I can pick that, I'll probably go with an Abloy Protec. Unless someone has a more bypass resistant suggestion.

by **zeke79** » 18 Sep 2005 0:27

well, don't buy medeco for bump protection as from speaking with Han Fey they are now bumping medeco successfully. You can put whatever you like on your home, but once you are tired of spinning that abloy deadbolt to the unlocked posistion to get into your house, PM me and I'll buy it from you to add to my collection :lol:

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by **TOWCH** » 18 Sep 2005 4:35

zeke79 wrote:well, don't buy medeco for bump protection as from speaking with Han Fey they are now bumping medeco successfully. You can put whatever you like on your home, but once you are tired of spinning that abloy deadbolt to the unlocked posistion to get into your house, PM me and I'll buy it from you to add to my collection :lol: .

Is this Romstar's method? As for bumping Schlage Primus, is this ASSA twin style when you already have the sidebar bitting or is there a trick to it?

by **Heliox** » 18 Sep 2005 12:02

TOWCH wrote:
zeke79 wrote:well, don't buy medeco for bump protection as from speaking with Han Fey they are now bumping medeco successfully. You can put whatever you like on your home, but once you are tired of spinning that abloy deadbolt to the unlocked posistion to get into your house, PM me and I'll buy it from you to add to my collection .

Is this Romstar's method? As for bumping Schlage Primus, is this ASSA twin style when you already have the sidebar bitting or is there a trick to it?

OMFG! So if the Medeco can be bumped, the Primus can be bumped, and basically every other pin-tumbler is more easily bumped, what's left for bypass resistant locks? What is out there that works on a different mechanism other than Abloy?

by **treboR** » 18 Sep 2005 12:32

zeke79 wrote:well, don't buy medeco for bump protection as from speaking with Han Fey they are now bumping medeco successfully. You can put whatever you like on your home, but once you are tired of spinning that abloy deadbolt to the unlocked posistion to get into your house, PM me and I'll buy it from you to add to my collection .

I wonder how they get the pins to rotate when bumping?

by **n2oah** » 18 Sep 2005 12:32

Heliox wrote: What is out there that works on a different mechanism other than Abloy?

Kaba Penta
Evva 3KS
Evva MCS
Some Miwa magnetic locks
Abloy
GeGe P Extra
Evva DUAL

The bumping of a Medeco means we are all screwed. So I guess we are.

by **zeke79** » 18 Sep 2005 15:14

Han emailed me this information so I will pass it along to you. This is how they were bumping their medeco lock. Sounds to me like as with any system as long as all keys are kept track of the system should be secure.

I noticed your note on lockpicking101 about medeco. I must say you that we did it with a 5 pin biaxial standard keyway. We already knew the angle configuration and had an original made bumpkey, made on a medeco machine. One angle was correct but not the chisel position. The other 4 cuts were confirm the correct pinning configuration

To make a bumpkey for a medeco you must know the angle configuration, without this knowledge it's not possible. If you have the key from a toilet in a GMK system you have this configuration.

I hope this helps clear up any confusion :wink:

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