sargent and greenleaf padlock

by **cdn** » 27 Oct 2005 19:45

i have was givin a sargent and greenleaf combo padlock. because they forgot the forgot the combo for it i dont have a by pass key and it is lock and one have tip on how i can figure out what the combo it for it. and repleys would be nice.

by **TOWCH** » 27 Oct 2005 20:36

Wouldn't happen to be one of these would it? http://www.sglocks.com/prod_padlocks_8077ad.php

by **digital_blue** » 27 Oct 2005 22:47

cdn wrote:i have was givin a sargent and greenleaf combo padlock. because they forgot the forgot the combo for it i dont have a by pass key and it is lock and one have tip on how i can figure out what the combo it for it. and repleys would be nice.

Am I drunk?

If TOWCH is correct, I would say that you'd probably want to let it be unless you intend on getting well involved in this hobby. I think the "30 minutes against expert manipulation" would tell you that it is probably about as close to a lost cause as you're apt to find.

If you're intent on going at it, check out an article called "Safecracking for the Computer Scientist" on www.crypto.com, although I'm not entirely sure the method described there would even work.

Good luck in any event!

db

by **TOWCH** » 28 Oct 2005 1:00

I'm actually looking for another one to take apart if you're interested in selling.

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I haven't taken one of these apart yet, but I'm pretty sure these locks are direct fence, requiring some modification to the method outlined in Matt Blaze's paper.

by **keysman** » 28 Oct 2005 1:37

No they are not direct fence .. the are actually miniture safe locks.

The one I took apart had plastic (delron?) wheels.
They do not go back together well (if at all).

They are designed for goverenment use, and most likely can't be opened by conventional means.
You might try drilling a small hole in the change key area and "scope' the change key hole for the combo.

by **TOWCH** » 28 Oct 2005 3:07

Do you have any pictures of one disassembled?

by **keysman** » 29 Oct 2005 1:37

I don't have any pics but next time I come across the pieces/ parts I will take a few pics.

by **HKW** » 29 Oct 2005 13:28

keysman wrote:No they are not direct fence .. the are actually miniture safe locks.

so, they are spring lever?

HKW

by **devildog** » 29 Oct 2005 14:36

Hey, just curious, but for the lockies here familiar with this, is this worth the $61 they're asking? I've got the new S&G catalog and pricelist for '05, and a NEW 833 (833-09) is listing at a retail of $1282.92, soooo...?? :arrow:

EBAY!!

by **mike-z** » 29 Oct 2005 14:46

IFFFFF you just cant find that bace ball thats been signed THATS ON EBAY bling aling aling cars and things nice bling bling thATS ON EBAY!

by **n2oah** » 29 Oct 2005 14:53

devildog wrote:Hey, just curious, but for the lockies here familiar with this, is this worth the $61 they're asking? I've got the new S&G catalog and pricelist for '05, and a NEW 833 (833-09) is listing at a retail of $1282.92, soooo...??

EBAY!!

The lock featured on eBay is an 831b, an 833c has never reached civilian hands. If you so please, you can buy the 831b on eBay, it's your choice.

by **cdn** » 29 Oct 2005 16:01

its a 8077 i would like to get in to it if i can. i am currently working in a locksmithing shop but i can not call my self a locksmtih yet maybe one day. :roll:

. at the moment my boss has me rekeying locks , cutting key inpressioning, wafer reading and what ever else he willl let me do ..

sorry about the spelling my keyboaard has a mind of it own and i have no mouse so if i dont spell check its becouse it took me 30min to get to here.. lol

by **devildog** » 29 Oct 2005 16:31

Ok, so what's the 831 usually retail for (or used to, as the case may be, since there's no 831 in the '05 catalog)?

This has really become a hypothetical question now, I think, as between LSS, Falle-Safes, and too many....well, I guess you can never have TOOOOO many :roll:

--locks and other what-nots, I can't justify 60 bucks for almost ANY lock now. So, if you were holding off on bidding because you were in fear of bidding against the fearsome devildog, well...you may proceed.

:mrgreen:

by **TOWCH** » 29 Oct 2005 20:00

Check your PMs yo.

by **eric343** » 5 Nov 2005 22:49

n2oah wrote:The lock featured on eBay is an 831b, an 833c has never reached civilian hands. If you so please, you can buy the 831b on eBay, it's your choice.

An 833c has indeed reached civilian hands -- Han Fey owns several!

And if you have any more, let me know. Between the two of us they'll all be gone

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