key dimentions data base? distance to shoulder, cut depth?

[machinist]

I'm about to make a 6 pin masterlock bumpkey I have access to my own key machine (so to speak) and 3 beutiful masterlock 6 pin blanks freash form the hardware store but no dimentions. As to the cut depths, distance between cuts and distance from first cut to shoulder I don't know.

I had a link to a big list of details for about 15 differen't kinds of locks I copied it all but theres nothing about masterlock keys. Can anyone help me out here?

I formally suggest making a sticky topic reguarding key dimentions and applicable details if nothing exhists in the lock section if unless somthing like that already exsists.

[Chrispy]

This might help. Maybe.

http://www.dlaco.com/spacing/spacing.htm

[machinist]

Thanks, I used that to design my kwickset and schlage bumpkeys but no masterlock info : (.

[Pickermeapie]

Here you go. Right off my HPC Code Cards:

Master Padlock
SMALL PIN ONLY!

Distance to center of first cut: .135

Distance between center to center of cuts: .125

Depths:
0 .210
1 .195
2.180
3 .165
4 .150
5 .135
6 .120

Spaces:
1 .135
2 .260
3 .385
4. 510

Note this is for SMALL PINS ONLY! I.E. No. 2 and No.7 (according to card)

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Master Padlock
Standard Large Pin

Distance to center of first cut: .187

Distance between center to center of cut: .125

Depths:
0 .275
1 .260
2 .245
3 .230
4 .215
5 .200
6 .185
7 .170

Spacing:
1 .187
2 .312
3 .437
4 .562
5 .687

Note this is for Standard Laminated And Rekeyable Padlocks. Locker and Trailer locks

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And Now American Which is ... ::sigh:: a part of Master now.
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Junkunc (American Lock)
Pin - Domestic

Distance to center of first cut: .156

Distance between center to center of cut: .125

Depths:
0 .
1 .284
2 .268
3 .253
4 .237
5 .221
6 .206
7 .190
8 .175

Spacing:
1 .156
2 .281
3 .406
4 .531
5 .656
6 .781

[machinist]

Awesome, thank you, but does that mean that all those dimentions for the american work for all the older (pre 2006) american locks? thats my next bumpkey project.

[Pickermeapie]

These will work for any American Locks. Whilst the company's are merging, the locks themselves will remain independant. Master's will have master pinning, American will have American Pinning. Just a IMO: I don't think that the American Bump key, will work for security pinned Americans, but prove me wrong.

[machinist]

Well I tell you on e thing I'm sure not going to be able to hand pick it anytime soon.

[machinist]

One more question: whats the "spacing" in referece too?

is that somthing for master keying?

[vector40]

Spacing is how far apart the cuts are.

[vector40]

Well, more accurately, how far each cut is from the shoulder, but the idea is the same.

[Varjeal]

...and even more accurately where the center ( think) of each cut is away from the shoulder.

[vector40]

Which is a useful distinction when you compare, say, a nice jaggy Schlage key with a really garbage-cut Kwikset whose cuts are flat-bottomed and each a quarter-inch wide.

[Pickermeapie]

I love their pick ressistant 11211 codes that you get every now and then. those are the toughest.

[Chrispy]

You think that's tough? I got a rekey job in the other day, the customer wanted his euro cylinder rekeyed because his three year old stuck a thin piece of metal off their keyring into the lock and opened it. When we took the pins out, they were all 1s.

[skold]

You think that's tough? I got a rekey job in the other day, the customer wanted his euro cylinder rekeyed because his three year old stuck a thin piece of metal off their keyring into the lock and opened it. When we took the pins out, they were all 1s.

your kidding right?

almost sounds like a bunnings style job.