Euro cylinders, new one on me.

[pcbear]

I fitted a UPVC door today, when i went to lock it, i noticed the euro cylinder has a vertical groove about 3mm wide and 2mm deep in the plug through the keyway, i presume to make drilling more difficult? are they new or do i go around with my eyes shut? i dont know what make, they were unmarked anyone came across these?

[acl]

Sounds like it could be an Iseo .The grooves just in the plug?
Andy

[pcbear]

Sounds like it could be an Iseo .The grooves just in the plug?
Andy

Yes, plug only.

[master in training]

Sounds like an Iseo to me, I'd take a picture but everythings gone wrong today so I cant connect my phone to my pc to transfer it.

[Aqua]

While you're on the topic of ISEO cylinders, i'll give it a little newbie shot:
I've tried to search for 20 minutes or so, but didn't find anything even close to mentioning such basics as those:

I've made these photos a few days ago...

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/1765/iseo2vg.jpg

...and I believe that the 8th (or the 1st - depends on how you numerise them. I mean the one on the right) pin is fortified or anti-drill, but as this is the first lock i encounter with such a marking, I want to make sure by asking you.
Is it possible, that this pin could be placed in a different position than the furthest from the cam?
Are there different disginguishing marks of such a pin in different brands of locks?

I suppose that those pins don't have any effect on the picking difficulity level... but is there a way to feel this pin while picking?

Sorry i couldn't provide you with any photos of the lock dissasambled, but i'm having problems with my camera (well..with my brother to be more precise).

Aye!

[illusion]

Iseo is just the manufacturer.. I have a standard euro-profile with a standard keyway...

if anybody fancies knowing more about Simple dimple locks say so and I'll get a small guide together.

A'ight!

B.

P.S: have you picked it yet Aqua?

[Tattoo Guy]

Aqua

The small pin you can see at the front edge of the lock is indeed an anti drill pin.
This pin has no effect on the picking of the cylinder as it only serves to stop it from being drilled and does not protrude into the keyway.
On some cylinders some of the actual pins are hardened as well but you would not be able to distinguish these just by looking at the bottom edge of the cylinder.
Hope this helps.

[Aqua]

P.S: have you picked it yet Aqua?

Of course
Both with matador's, and with a siple half-diamond (using it kind of sideways, at around 70 degrees, with the tip of the diamond pointing to the upper-left. To push the pin in, i just turn the pick counter-clockwise, obviously).
It took me somewhere between 15-25 minutes to pick it for the first time (my first encounter with a dimple lock), but later it proved to be quite easy. In fact i believe that when the middle part of the pick is resting on the lock entrence, it might be even easier than a standard keyway. Today, it's 60 seconds max.

Thanks for asking
I've been working with a M-T-L for the last few days... now that is a real pain in the ...toe. I don't even know how to disassamble the darn thing...
But thats way of the topic ...sorry...

[illusion]

yeah.. half diamond worked for me too.

darnit I'm still waiting to get hold of a Mul-T-Lock... if you beat me picking it first.... then.... I'll probably cry

nice work picking the ISEO BTW

[nicholls]

Does anyone do like a special side laying pick for the auto pick gun for dimple locks?

[illusion]

Does anyone do like a special side laying pick for the auto pick gun for dimple locks?

urmm.. just turn the pick gun to 90 degrees...

[nicholls]

Does that work if the needle is hitting it side ways?????

It'll just be wacking the pins side on....not down right????

[Shrub]

pcbear, if its not marked it could be a zone euro lock.

[illusion]

turn it so the needle hits the pins... nothing more than that really... if it's a rim-cylinder hit the pins upwards.. if it's a euro-profile hit the pins so they go downwards...

except the more complicated ones, basic dimple locks are just normal locks with odd shaped keyways...

[nicholls]

Don't zone usually print their name on the barrel butt??