Dudley Combination Locks

[cormier]

hey just tonight i figured out a method which seems to work...all i did was put a bunch of info i got from several different sites to gether and boom..i got it.... check it out... i posted it here viewtopic.php?t=12261

p.s..i dont know if that contest shit is still on ...but if it is..i think i got a good shot at it

[cormier]

and wow...i didnt know i posted that twice

[somelock]

you should show some pictures about it to us ;maybe I can help you a llitte.

[cormier]

there...i just made a pic of what to do after you have your two gates or sticky spots...and if you still cant find your sticky spots then check out my forum..DUDLEY CRACK METHOD and you can find out how there... but heres the pic

[NanDesuKa]

I have a dudley lock, blue knob, silver face. I have a list of stick points clock and counter clockwise... is there someone who still does these?

[digital_blue]

Oh dear God.... I thought this thread had finally died.





db

[mckutzy]

[champi0n]

Anyone know if the internal disc's are the same on all these locks?
Do they all have the same divit/gap relationship?

or maybe they change the divits/gaps per color dial?

Using those pictures provided i've come up with a method that should work to open it.

I've figured out a way to find the last digit of the combo without knowing the first 2.

And with finding the last digit I found a way to reverse engineer to get the other 2 digits.

BUT it will only work if the middle and last wheel have the same divit/gap location throughout all locks. (or even if all blue dial locks have one type etc...)

Basically once i find the sticky point which contains the last digit, i mark the point which is at zero to be my new "pointer". (And the last digit sticky point is the only one out of 10 that doesnt grind when you pull the latch up and turn the dial within the sticky point) Also the last digit is on the dial itself, not the wheels.

From your new zero point, the 3rd wheel gap is in the sticky point 9/10 (47-55ish) area. So put your new zero +6-7ish. This should line up the gap to the top. Note where your actual pointer is at.

Next rotate CCW until you feel the resistance catching the middle wheel, once you feel that, keep going CCW and put that new marked pointer to Zero. Which should bring the middle wheel gap to around the sticky point 3-4 (15-17ish) area. So keep rotating CCW another 15 or so.

Finally center your marked pointer back on zero. The lock should open (hopefully)

I dont have enough locks to test it on, it might only work with black and unpainted dials.

It's not 100% accurate, only because the number you come up with could be "just" passed a sticky point. So its good to know the combo to test, but so far for me its within ~3 of each number.

[cormier]

Theres no way that all the same digit gaps would be used for all dudley locks...it just doesnt make sence...and plus i watched a show about how they make dudley locks...the combination is chosen randomly by a computer so that would eliminate the chances of all the sticky spot gaps being the same.... try on other locks anyway tho...and come back and let us know what you get

[cormier]

And another thing...pretaining my method...i still havent gotten any feedback from it....id like if i could get somone that has a lock with only 2 sticky spots instead of 12 or 10 to try it because then it would eliminate all possible mistakes while picking the sticky spots when you have 12 of them.


I also decided to try sumthing new...i still havent tried it...but it seems to make sence...if somone has the patients or time to try it feel free to do so and let me know...


instead of narrowing the sticky spots down to 2 i decided to leave all 12 of them and work out all the possible numbers that could be achieved when using my +7, - 7 method...what i basicly did was took out a piece of paper...wrote down all the sticky spots...(4-9, 12-16, 18-22 ect..) and once you have your list of 12 pairs..(24 numbers) add 7 to the higher number in the pair and minus 7 from the lower number in the pair ( if one of your pairs are 4-9 then the two numbers you would get out of it would be 37 and 16) once you have a list of 24 numbers...copy the exact list down again right next to it this is a list of your possible 1st and 2nd numbers 24 x 24 = 576. so what you have basicly done is narrowed it down from 64000 combos to 576 because you dont need to know the last number...you just turn it around untill it opens...
ok...so back to the list...24x24 can now be narrowed down to 24x23 because each number in the first list should also apear in the second list and you cant have the same number by the same number. after all this...if you have any of the same numbers OR any numbers that are only off from each other by 3 or less, eliminate one of the numbers from both sides of the list this should narrow it down dramaticly...i got my lock narrowed down to 90 combos..but im too lazy to try it...but it makes soo much sence in my head so if it makes sence in anyone elses head...TRY It..and let me know the results

[nsameer]

Guess what I found on the dudley website. http://www.dudleylock.com/02-_school.html

"Plus, all our school locks come with a control chart that conveniently lists all serial numbers with their corresponding combinations.

If you're having a hard time keeping track of all your lockers, then you need Dudley's unique Hand-held computer that can store and retrieve over 6000 serial numbers and locker combinations. Protected by a customized access code, this portable computer gives you instant access to any locker at the click of a button.

Or, to simplify all your locker management needs, there's also Dudley's revolutionary LockerManagerâ„¢ Software which gives your personal computer all the tools you need to stay in total control of your lockers."

Wow now we have 3 easy ways to get by pass the dudley locks.

1. dudley's control chart
2. Dudley's unique Hand-held computer
3. Dudley's revolutionary LockerManagerâ„¢ Software

Not actually lock picking but hey i'm 12

[cormier]

read again smart guy...these products are for principles or owners of a company that need to keep track of all the lockers in their building...all these tools are made for ENTERING AND STORING COMBINATIONS....NOT STEALING THEM...if the combination and serial number of the lock was not previously entered into the tools memory system then it will not blurt out the combination of any random lock

these tools are simply making the principals or owners life alot easier and more organized...they are not hacking tools

[nsameer]

read again smart guy...these products are for principles or owners of a company that need to keep track of all the lockers in their building...all these tools are made for ENTERING AND STORING COMBINATIONS....NOT STEALING THEM...if the combination and serial number of the lock was not previously entered into the tools memory system then it will not blurt out the combination of any random lock

these tools are simply making the principals or owners life alot easier and more organized...they are not hacking tools

I like totally knew that..

[cormier]

"Wow now we have 3 easy ways to get by pass the dudley locks.

1. dudley's control chart
2. Dudley's unique Hand-held computer
3. Dudley's revolutionary LockerManagerâ„¢ Software"



no you didnt...if you did you would not have said that

[Stray]

I decided to post this here instead of on a new post because really... who needs another dudley thread...

I was Bored the other day so I found a dudley combo lock that I had lying around without a combo, so I decided to cut off the back of it and see how it worked. so after a couple of cut off disks on a dremel this is what i got.
http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/9514/lockedks8.jpg

so I looked and found the combo the easy way.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7021/lineduppn0.jpg

I started wondering what I could do to open them since shimming them open doesn't work (and it doesn't give you the combo.)

I realized that from the part of the shackle that doesn't pop open (left side) you can slide in a feeler (I used those security tag metal strips) until it touches up against the locking mech and the first dial.

Now you turn the dial in the normal direction until the feeler falls into the notch.
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2138 ... eelwy8.jpg

The number that is on the dial is your first number give or take a few "lines"

you repeat the same thing for wheel two.
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6923/thirdwheeltj5.jpg

now that you are at the last wheel the easiest thing to do is just turn and pull the combo lock until it opens. (it is possible to get the last wheel too but the fact that it is only an indent and not a full notch makes it harder.)

and If all goes well it should pop open.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/916/openeddm1.jpg


Some hints
Sometimes you wont see the feeler move but you will hear a nice little click that tells you that the notch lined up.

This isn't one of those "anyone can do it within minutes" methods, to get the feel for it you have to practice on locks you know the combo's to.


A little extra information:

the first 2 wheels each have a fake notch or two in them, you can avoid them by positioning feeler along side of wheels intead of the top.

The last one looks like a gear from a clock, thus making feeling more of a pain in the arse.


I have tried this method both on an older model of the lock (cutaway one) and a new one I bought the other day for this purpose. And they both allow this method.

So Good Luck to you all. And Tell me if this method actually works for other people.