Going to get some Bump keys made (Australia)

[ausbump]

Hey all!
I'm off to the Mr Minit tomorrow near where i live, to get the fellas to make me some bump keys. Naturally, they have little to no training in how locks, or indeed keys work. Normally they clamp a blank down, run a copy, then give you the copy. I want them to make the key from scratch.

I've looked for templates (In the search as well) but i don't know how to explain it any better than 'take it down to 9 on every pin'. Naturally i'd file the shoulder and head myself.

Any ideas how i can make it easier for them to make the keys without an original?

[bpc293]

viewtopic.php?t=13729

[ausbump]

Yes i did see the thread but - no pics. Hence it's a little hard to give direction to the cutter

[bpc293]

i put that there just so you could read it even with out the pic's theres some info in there. have you ever seen a space and depth key set. that would be your template your looking for. search for them on ebay just to get a good picture of them. not to copy the picture just so you can see them.

[p1ckf1sh]

I think they won't be able to do it. First, as you say they have no clue. Second, they usually only have a cut machine that traces the original key and transfer the cut to the new one. You can't use these machines without a key to copy from. Your best bet is to find some keys that have the profiles you want, have them copied and file down the rest of the rest by hand. Finding a key that already has a few cuts down to 8 or 9 or whatever the deepest cut is numbered helps.

[Fah_Cue]

hmm i highly doubt if you ask them they will make it, they would ask for the key. What part of aus you from

[ausbump]

Sydney. The fellows at the shoe place are of non-Australian background, and basically do many things which would appear dubious. The law is 'not a problem' so to speak, i think they prefer the money.
Even then, it's negotiable as to whether making a 999 key is against the law anyway.

Please see my other thread in the forum to see the bump key i made with a file. Please give me some feedback if you can!
viewtopic.php?t=14576

[bpc293]

well I'm no expert i lost interest in bumping pretty quick. well not all just at first i was pumped about it. i think the peeks are a little high and the lower Vally should be more rounded. hold it up to another old key and make shur that the spacing is still on because as you file they could get uneven. and the first peak at the tip should be the same as the rest. but it doesn't look unworkable. hey everyone if I'm giving bad advise please correct me.

[bpc293]

here check this pic out zoom in on it a little if you can.

http://www.lockpicks.com/index.asp?Page ... ProdID=634

[Dent]

I really really doubt this is going to work.

As said, the machine they use copies the profile of another key.

If you are going to tell them to do it manually, that will not only require MONDO control over the cutter but also exact knowledge of where the cuts need to be and depth.

[ausbump]

Bugger
Well, i'll still give it a go some other way.

[cL4y]

i just thought i might point out....how inexperienced are these guys? becouse if you ask for a bumpkey and they say...what for...its gonna look very suss.

[skold]

Not really, most key desk people know very little about keys, they usually fix shoes!

[ausbump]

Hehe you don't go up to them and say. "Hi, i'd like you to cut this key especially so i can go and open locks to which i don't have the right/means to open'. You say 'please duplicate this key.
Much easier

Besides, it's not like we're criminals. Criminals would just use bricks.

I'm sure some locksmiths make a lot of money at night though...

[p1ckf1sh]

I'm sure some locksmiths make a lot of money at night though...

Yup the rates for nightly lockout calls are pretty high in some places...

On a serious note, I do not think that lockies do stuff like that. Sure, there might have been the occasional locksmith gone burglar, but I think that is an extreme exception. If there was a series of burglaries with unknown type of entry, the police would probably start to have a forensic look at the locks. Even without that, the local lockie might get into the scope of investigation first. And as soon as they have the forensic repots they might even be able to relate the picked locks to the individual pick that was used.