Lock Picking 101 Forum
A community dedicated to the fun and ethical hobby of lock picking.
       

Lock Picking 101 Home
Login
Profile
Members
Forum Rules
Frequent Forum Questions
SEARCH
View New Posts
View Active Topics


Live Chat on Discord
LP101 Forum Chat
Keypicking Forum Chat
Reddit r/lockpicking Chat



Learn How to Pick Locks
FAQs & General Questions
Got Beginner Questions?
Pick-Fu [Intermediate Level]


Ask a Locksmith
This Old Lock
This Old Safe
What Lock Should I Buy?



Hardware
Locks
Lock Patents
Lock Picks
Lock Bumping
Lock Impressioning
Lock Pick Guns, Snappers
European Locks & Picks
The Machine Shop
The Open Source Lock
Handcuffs


Member Spotlight
Member Introductions
Member Lock Collections
Member Social Media


Off Topic
General Chatter
Other Puzzles


Locksmith Business Info
Training & Licensing
Running a Business
Keyways & Key Blanks
Key Machines
Master Keyed Systems
Closers and Crash Bars
Life Safety Compliance
Electronic Locks & Access
Locksmith Supplies
Locksmith Lounge


Buy Sell Trade
Buy - Sell - Trade
It came from Ebay!


Advanced Topics
Membership Information
Special Access Required:
High Security Locks
Vending Locks
Advanced Lock Pick Tools
Bypass Techniques
Safes & Safe Locks
Automotive Entry & Tools
Advanced Buy/Sell/Trade


Locksport Groups
Locksport Local
Chapter President's Office
Locksport Board Room
 

Going to get some Bump keys made (Australia)

Bump keys and lock bumping finally have their own area. Discuss making bump keys, proper bumping techniques, and countermeasures here.

Going to get some Bump keys made (Australia)

Postby ausbump » 13 Aug 2006 2:05

Hey all!
I'm off to the Mr Minit tomorrow near where i live, to get the fellas to make me some bump keys. Naturally, they have little to no training in how locks, or indeed keys work. Normally they clamp a blank down, run a copy, then give you the copy. I want them to make the key from scratch.

I've looked for templates (In the search as well) but i don't know how to explain it any better than 'take it down to 9 on every pin'. Naturally i'd file the shoulder and head myself.

Any ideas how i can make it easier for them to make the keys without an original?
ausbump
 
Posts: 25
Joined: 12 Aug 2006 23:04
Location: Australia

Postby bpc293 » 13 Aug 2006 2:16

bpc293
BANNED!
 
Posts: 1020
Joined: 10 May 2006 0:09
Location: new york usa

Postby ausbump » 13 Aug 2006 2:26

Yes i did see the thread but - no pics. Hence it's a little hard to give direction to the cutter
ausbump
 
Posts: 25
Joined: 12 Aug 2006 23:04
Location: Australia

Postby bpc293 » 13 Aug 2006 4:44

i put that there just so you could read it even with out the pic's theres some info in there. have you ever seen a space and depth key set. that would be your template your looking for. search for them on ebay just to get a good picture of them. not to copy the picture just so you can see them.
bpc293
BANNED!
 
Posts: 1020
Joined: 10 May 2006 0:09
Location: new york usa

Re: Going to get some Bump keys made (Australia)

Postby p1ckf1sh » 13 Aug 2006 4:58

I think they won't be able to do it. First, as you say they have no clue. Second, they usually only have a cut machine that traces the original key and transfer the cut to the new one. You can't use these machines without a key to copy from. Your best bet is to find some keys that have the profiles you want, have them copied and file down the rest of the rest by hand. Finding a key that already has a few cuts down to 8 or 9 or whatever the deepest cut is numbered helps.
Due to financial limitations the light at the end of tunnel has been turned off until further notice.
p1ckf1sh
 
Posts: 711
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 9:55
Location: North Germany, Europe

Postby Fah_Cue » 13 Aug 2006 5:01

hmm i highly doubt if you ask them they will make it, they would ask for the key. What part of aus you from
Image
Fah_Cue
 
Posts: 305
Joined: 30 Aug 2005 5:59
Location: Sydney, Australia

Postby ausbump » 13 Aug 2006 5:20

Sydney. The fellows at the shoe place are of non-Australian background, and basically do many things which would appear dubious. The law is 'not a problem' so to speak, i think they prefer the money.
Even then, it's negotiable as to whether making a 999 key is against the law anyway.

Please see my other thread in the forum to see the bump key i made with a file. Please give me some feedback if you can!
viewtopic.php?t=14576
ausbump
 
Posts: 25
Joined: 12 Aug 2006 23:04
Location: Australia

Postby bpc293 » 13 Aug 2006 13:39

well I'm no expert i lost interest in bumping pretty quick. well not all just at first i was pumped about it. i think the peeks are a little high and the lower Vally should be more rounded. hold it up to another old key and make shur that the spacing is still on because as you file they could get uneven. and the first peak at the tip should be the same as the rest. but it doesn't look unworkable. hey everyone if I'm giving bad advise please correct me.
bpc293
BANNED!
 
Posts: 1020
Joined: 10 May 2006 0:09
Location: new york usa

Postby bpc293 » 13 Aug 2006 13:47

here check this pic out zoom in on it a little if you can.

http://www.lockpicks.com/index.asp?Page ... ProdID=634
bpc293
BANNED!
 
Posts: 1020
Joined: 10 May 2006 0:09
Location: new york usa

Postby Dent » 13 Aug 2006 16:20

I really really doubt this is going to work.

As said, the machine they use copies the profile of another key.

If you are going to tell them to do it manually, that will not only require MONDO control over the cutter but also exact knowledge of where the cuts need to be and depth.
Image
Dent
 
Posts: 153
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 1:31
Location: Midwest, USA

Postby ausbump » 13 Aug 2006 22:16

Bugger
Well, i'll still give it a go some other way.
ausbump
 
Posts: 25
Joined: 12 Aug 2006 23:04
Location: Australia

Postby cL4y » 14 Aug 2006 3:30

i just thought i might point out....how inexperienced are these guys? becouse if you ask for a bumpkey and they say...what for...its gonna look very suss.
cL4y
 
Posts: 277
Joined: 22 Apr 2006 9:04

Postby skold » 14 Aug 2006 3:33

Not really, most key desk people know very little about keys, they usually fix shoes!
Image
skold
 
Posts: 2250
Joined: 24 Feb 2004 3:59
Location: Australia

Postby ausbump » 14 Aug 2006 3:37

Hehe you don't go up to them and say. "Hi, i'd like you to cut this key especially so i can go and open locks to which i don't have the right/means to open'. You say 'please duplicate this key.
Much easier

Besides, it's not like we're criminals. Criminals would just use bricks.

I'm sure some locksmiths make a lot of money at night though...
ausbump
 
Posts: 25
Joined: 12 Aug 2006 23:04
Location: Australia

Postby p1ckf1sh » 14 Aug 2006 7:08

ausbump wrote:I'm sure some locksmiths make a lot of money at night though...

Yup the rates for nightly lockout calls are pretty high in some places...

On a serious note, I do not think that lockies do stuff like that. Sure, there might have been the occasional locksmith gone burglar, but I think that is an extreme exception. If there was a series of burglaries with unknown type of entry, the police would probably start to have a forensic look at the locks. Even without that, the local lockie might get into the scope of investigation first. And as soon as they have the forensic repots they might even be able to relate the picked locks to the individual pick that was used.
Due to financial limitations the light at the end of tunnel has been turned off until further notice.
p1ckf1sh
 
Posts: 711
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 9:55
Location: North Germany, Europe

Next

Return to Lock Bumping

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests