Helix MoneyBox.

[arris]

did the person actually get into this?

i also have a box similar,

that was mine many years ago an i lost the keys, now i feel it is most securist around my house as i just pick it open an closed

but dont really use it as never have cash apart from in the bank

[TOWCH]

It seems a bit iffy..iv'e been a member here a while now and some people still dont trust me ? :roll:

It has nothing to do with trusting you Proctor. It has to do with the rules of the site and the image of locksport. How do you think it looks to someone who stops by to check (which I'm sure alot of people who work for companies with acronyms do) and we have posts out in the open about opening cashboxes? As far as I'm concerned you are a trusted and valued member of the site, but this thread should not be here.

Back when I was a noob there was a 5+ page thread of "found locks" with clear instances of petty theft. As I recall it was tolerated in the same tone as a "did you ever steal anything as a kid" conversation. With disapproval and shaking heads.

Site culture has definately changed from " :/ " to " :O ".

I'm not exactly complaining. My perception prolly has as much to do with my memory of it as anything else, but there's no doubt there has been a change.

As far as this topic: lockpick doesn't accomplish anything that an actual thief wouldn't have already done with a screwdriver. Obviously not a quick and sneaky deal cause they had time to post pictures. Besides that: credibility comes in to play.

n00b with cashbox=snubbed because we feel like it, he has nothing to offer us so why waste time helping the lazy

op=not n00b/who cares? it's a cash box. he'll get a screwdriver if it's stolen. Worst case we save the owner of the cash box $20 if the stolen box is ever recovered due to it's non-ruined state.

I agree with whoever said that the mindless parroting of "rules" in threads when they aren't even applicable get's old. IE: dialing instructions for a padlock.

The advanced forums are only worth as much to this site as they are in fact advanced. If the only non-advanced topic is picking boring standard pin tumbler locks, suddenly the advanced forums become worthless and unattractive to the exact people they are intended to attract, and the average knowledge level ceases to rival on locksmith level and becomes an issue of 1 trick ponies.

Clearly that's the rough draft. I need sleep.

[freakparade3]

TOWCH, so by your reasoning of "a thief would already have opened it with a screwdriver" it reads to me as is you are saying "he's gonna steal it and open it anyway so we may as well teach him how to pick it open".

Proctor, this was not aimed at you and i am not calling you a thief, it's just an example.

[dougfarre]

I find it a constant nag that every post turns into a phylisophical debate on ethics. I just want to talk about locks already!

[freakparade3]

I find it a constant nag that every post turns into a phylisophical debate on ethics. I just want to talk about locks already!

I think that on a website such as this one ethics should be discussed. It's a very important part of what we do.

[delocking]

Ethics are important and some of those threads make interesting reading.

On the other hand, it's also a real PITA having to scroll through reply after reply on a thread where each person points out "Don't pick locks that are in use" and/or "Don't pick locks that don't belong to you".

Once in the thread may be appropriate, twice may add a little weight to the warning, three or more times in the same thread and it starts to sound like the borg !!!

[TOWCH]

TOWCH, so by your reasoning of "a thief would already have opened it with a screwdriver" it reads to me as is you are saying "he's gonna steal it and open it anyway so we may as well teach him how to pick it open".

Proctor, this was not aimed at you and i am not calling you a thief, it's just an example. :wink:

I say judgment before generous interpretation of rules. We know proctor didn't steal it. We know that even if it was stolen: who cares? I don't think the potential of a criminal wanting to play james bond and waste their time merits a diversion from the purpose of the website which is the discussion of locks. It's a slim possibility not worthy of recognition.

The cost benefit analysis of the situation doesn't play out well for lp101's business interests IMO. It's on par with a conservative drug store refusing to sell birth control. It's bad business and exceeds the scope of responsibility.

Lockpicking really isn't that magical, and the whole "with great power comes great responsibility" aspect is WAY overplayed. I wouldn't bother changing the locks on my house off of kwikset if ever person alive knew how to pick locks.

[freakparade3]

I respect your opinion, we can disagree and still be friends.

[TOWCH]

I respect your opinion, we can disagree and still be friends.

I can agree to that. Contrasting opinions are important contributions to reasonable conclusions.

[freakparade3]

Imagine how boring the world would be if everyone agreed on everything

[ThousandThugs]

Anybody picked 1 of these ?
Any advice ?

Cant seem to pick it, had about 4 trys at it

4 Trys...Thats Nothing...Most Good Locks Require More Then 4 Trys

[Proctor]

Cant be a good lock surely, i mean...come on ? its helix there rubbers suck too xD haha

[Proctor]

Opened... too my good friend saw tooth rake

[Proctor]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yOhySxJ5nzI

Vid there

[paulvalente]

Hey Proctor, bit off topic I know, but what was the bit of music in the background on this vid?

Cheers

Paul