foil impressioning

[ridderhenck]

The last couple of weeks I,ve been busy with foil impressioning,are amongst you also people with experience?

So far I,ve managed to open tubular locks and a couple of pin tumbler locks.

[maxxed]

I've tried it on several auto locks both pin tumbler and wafer. The meathod does work well but I prefer to do regular impressioning/reading of locks

[exspook]

it works well with simple dimple locks (kaba keso etc) but not multilock as they have 2 in 1 pins (drivers and spools)

Impressioning is the way forward and using a pull technique on the blank will leave very good marks.

The foil used to seal air cond. ducting is good for dimple keys, using a fully machined out blank, or even using a small piece of balsa wood the lock will self impression

[Grifter]

Here's a good video of Barr Wels using the technique exspook is talking about.

http://deviating.net/lockpicking/media/dimple.avi

Also, if you haven't looked at Deviant's visuals for his Intro to Lockpicking talk. You should check that out anyway.

http://deviating.net/lockpicking/topics.html

[xlr8ed1]

i have been trying the foil method for a inline 6 pin lock and ended up with tool that looked like a comb pick - with foil wrapped around it. Needless to say it did not work as the pins jammed in the slots - what does the tool look like for holding the foil onto?

[samfishers]

I would likely try it, but I don't know how?

[ridderhenck]

I use blanks with deep cuts,thin ductape,wiggle,open,it sounds easy,but it will not always be,believe me

[ridderhenck]

if you are interested I can make a howto tutorial.

[samfishers]

A tutorial, would sure be aprectiatted from the whole community (with pic's please)

[ridderhenck]

Give me a couple of days,

[ridderhenck]

Foilimpressioning

As promised I will try to explain how you can open a lock with a keyblank using tape.

Ok,what will you need:

1.A lock with a working key
2.A blank that fits in this lock
3.a file,the one you use for impressioning a lock will do fine
4.Scotch tape,thin is good,thinner is better and strong is also important!
5.a pair of scissors
6. A marker
7.A vice
First you take the working key and place it on top of the blank.Where the key shows its depths you mark the blank.
After that you place the blank in a vice and file depths in the blank until you have the deepest cut,if you do not know the deepest cut,look at the working key and file deeper than the deepest cut on the key.
Then you take a pair of scissors and cut off a small piece of scotch tape,it should be long enough to cover the length from the shoulder till the tip of the key and also both sides of the blank to cover the openings made by the file.
Make sure you rub the tape tightly on the blank,you do not have much space in the lock and also you do NOT want the tape left in the lock when you want to pull the blank out.
I use ul 50 blanks,they fit and leave enough room for tape on the blank,I know with some original blanks for a great amount of locks this trick will not work this way.At least that has been my experience.
Once you have done all the above,it is time to put the blank in the lock,make sure the tape will be where it should be,on the blank,if it crawls up,do not push further and start over,the most important moment is the placement of the tape,filing the depths is not difficult,the tape is the most timeconsuming part.
When you are sure the blank fits in the lock it is time to wiggle.Take the key between your thumb and finger and start to wiggle from left to right,not up and down,left and right.
This might take a few minutes but the lock will open after a few minutes with a maximum of 7 minutes,at least that is my experience for what it,s worth
Goodluck and let me know if you have questions,always willing to help!

[samfishers]

wow.. I'll try, but do you need deepth keys, or even deeper??

[ridderhenck]

If you want to experiment, use the depths of the working key but just file the depths on the blank a bit deeper otherwise you would copy the key and that is no fun ofcourse

[xlr8ed1]

i ended up with something that looked like a bump key
then using the aluminium tape - a similar product to the toool video of foil impressoning of dimple locks

and eneded up with a mashed up mess and no luck

should i change the tape i use

[ridderhenck]

I suggest you use a round file so the "teeth" will be longer,because what you describe now looks like you have filed deep enough but the key should look like a key with 5 gates,picture the arc the triomph in France,the teeth should look like that
I,ll see if I get the chance to produce some pictures to make things a lot easier.