Potentlock?

[AlexMHH]

Hi, everyone, I have been wondering about an Italian made lock brand called Potentlock. They produce a lock that's a hybrid of a deadbolt and the locking bolts on a safe. (http://cgi.ebay.com/DOOR-LOCK-SYSTEM-NINE-DEADBOLTS-HIGH-SECURITY-ITALY_W0QQitemZ260224205790QQihZ016QQcategoryZ53150QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) Their website (http://potentlock.com/locks/) only has limited information, listing one of their models as using a 6-lever assembly (judging from the pictures, the levers don't have any false gates), and the others as using a "pumplock". I was wondering if anyone else has any information on these locks, especially the pump-cylinder ones; they seem rather interesting.

[bumber]

are you SURE you read THESE?
(see #19 for details )

[AlexMHH]

Yup. Especially studdied #19.

[Safety0ff]

are you SURE you read THESE?
(see #19 for details )

He's not discussing how to pick/bypass so it's fine afaik.

... these topics include bypass of high security locks, safe lock manipulation, advanced pick tools, and automotive bypass & picking discussion.

As for the lock, I don't know anything about it.

[bumber]

OK IM SORRY but "I was wondering if anyone else has any information on these locks" is more often than not followed by..."how do you open them"...I retract my original statement, and insert this one.....they do seem very interesting but Ive never dealt with one

[illusion]

It looks like a lever lock - At a guess I'd say 8 levers since there doesn't appear to be a curtain.

If I recall N2oah did a breakdown of a similar lock... UTFSE! (Joke)

If you've got the cash you could buy it - You'd gain a valuable insight into the way lever locks work, and a nice challenge picking it open.

I don't know why the lock company didn't make it as a mortise style lock instead of a rim lock... Calling it high security when it's simply screwed to the door with tiny screws seems a bit ambitious, but I digress.

[raimundo]

UTFSE,,, UFF Da, what does that mean?

[hydruh]

UTFSE,,, UFF Da, what does that mean?

Use The Search Engine

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[AlexMHH]

One of the specifics which I was wondering about was the pumplock version. And, in regards to searching, I have, and came up with no relavent results. I'm aware of the rules regarding high security locks--and didn't nescessarly know weather this one would qualify. The underlying locking mechanism, yes, if properly installed, but that's one of the things I'm curious about. I have seen lever locks (especially ones without false gates to deter picking) picked with great ease, and figured that simple lever locks are not considered high security (like UL437 and equivalent, generally with added security features).

The only memory of a pump cylinder in my mind is from Han Fey's article about the Geminy Shield, and a brief mention in reference to the French Fichet, and the non-lever Potentlock looks nothing like that system. I'm not hoping for someone to give me detailed picking techniques for this obscure lock, rather, I'm wondering first if anyone has observations about these things, and second, what the heck is a pump cylinder? Looking at the non-lever keys on the site, it looks like it engages a row of horizontal tumblers like the Fichet 787, but the key is entirely different. (just a guess).

I'd love to get one of these things to see how it works, but to be honest, I feel that it'd be like pearls to swine; I'm still working mastering pin-by-pin picking of the most basic locks.

[n2oah]

One of the specifics which I was wondering about was the pumplock version. And, in regards to searching, I have, and came up with no relavent results. I'm aware of the rules regarding high security locks--and didn't nescessarly know weather this one would qualify. The underlying locking mechanism, yes, if properly installed, but that's one of the things I'm curious about. I have seen lever locks (especially ones without false gates to deter picking) picked with great ease, and figured that simple lever locks are not considered high security (like UL437 and equivalent, generally with added security features).

The only memory of a pump cylinder in my mind is from Han Fey's article about the Geminy Shield, and a brief mention in reference to the French Fichet, and the non-lever Potentlock looks nothing like that system. I'm not hoping for someone to give me detailed picking techniques for this obscure lock, rather, I'm wondering first if anyone has observations about these things, and second, what the heck is a pump cylinder? Looking at the non-lever keys on the site, it looks like it engages a row of horizontal tumblers like the Fichet 787, but the key is entirely different. (just a guess).

I'd love to get one of these things to see how it works, but to be honest, I feel that it'd be like pearls to swine; I'm still working mastering pin-by-pin picking of the most basic locks.

http://agentddr999.googlepages.com/fichet787
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=13392
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=12244
Bizzaaaaaam!

[greyman]

Loos like a clone of a Mottura pump mechanism. There's a write-up of it in my book. Basic idea is simple - push the sliders down till their gates line up and a stumpy sidebar can pull in. The Mottura is a 6 slider. I'm not sure if the Potent is the same.

[illusion]

Duh, it is a pump lock!

Urmmh... yeah, picking might be tricky hehe.