Hybrid Work Van

[WOT]

What happened to Geo and their 45-50mpg cars?? Oh yeah GM bought them out and put the same cars out with a 35mpg engine... hmm.

Jason

A mid 80s Honda CRX HF got 52mpg hwy, but timing and fuel mixture has changed since then for optimal emissions performance. Today's cars don't achieve the maximum mpg technology has to offer. Meeting today's emissions standards is at some expense of mpg.

Sounds like someone needs to do one of those deals like you did above with cost times savings to see if the emissions v/ MPG loss is really putting us in a "greener" place or just putting more green in the wallets of the big oil people. I am pretty sure I know the answer...

I would love to see where the electric cars were going. They put out an electric Ranger so a Econoline could have been down the line...

Jason

Emissions reduction isn't just for overall greenness. While the CO2 and H2O output is directly related to mpg and the CO2 is a green house gas.

The other toxic emissions such as HC, NOx, CO and particles are toxic and/or contributive to smog in areas with dense population. Emissions control system scrubs these quite effectively. This is why the exhaust from a 13mpg is almost odorless while the exhaust from a motorcycle(no emissions control) smells strong.

[UWSDWF]

[prag]

Seen this car in the paper recently. I have quoted the whole aricle because it is too small to read.


The van doesn't look to bad for an energy saving vehicle.

PSA- Peugeot Citroen and electron-ics company Intelligent Energyhave presented the results of theirthree-year efforts to integrate a fuelcell into a battery-powered urbandelivery van.It's based on a Peugeot PartnerOrigin van with a lOkW hydrogen-powered fuel cell to charge its bat-teries that's small enough to fit'urider the bonnet and trebles itsrange to 3OOkm.The fuel cell generates electric-ity as the vehicle travels. It can bestarted at -20°C and operated at up. to 37°C thanks to heating and cool- ing systems. Its only emission iswater - which freezes at O°C andblocks the system.The fuel cell even has a built-inDC-DC converter and regulator soit's a self-contained "hydrogen in -electricity out" energy source,pushing out 100 amperes of directcurrent at lOO-200V, which is used tocharge the van's batteries ratherthan drive its l80V, 35kW electricmotor.The pydrogen is stored at 70MPa(about 350 times the pressure inyour car's tyres) in pre-filled stain-less-steel cylinders sheathed incarbon-fibre - similar to the tanksused by scuba divers and built tothe same standards - on a slidingrack under the floor of the van'sload area.The advantage is that an emptyrack is simply exchanged for a fullone, rather than refuelling the vehi-cle at a hydrogen storage station.The tanks are also. muchstronger than a fIXed tank sincethey are designed to be removedand will not leak even if the rack isdestroyed. - motoring.co.zaELEcrRIC! The Peugeot Partner H20rigin electric van uses a new 10kW fuel cell to extend its battery range

[LockPickerJoe]

Just wanted to throw in here that Toyota makes the Prius which is one of the more popular and harder to purchase cars right now also they have the Hybrid Camry and since your looking for a van/SUV they even have the Hybrid Highlander I've driven all of these the highlander also has EV Mode which basically allows you to run on battery only at low speeds 0-25 MPH which is good for crawling around. if you don't care for gas prices the Tundra is a beast. I've driven everything from the 08-09 Camry to the 08 Landcruiser and even the 08 Yaris (eww). If you have any question on Toyotas ask me I work for them I'll try to help you out as best I can (and no I am not a salesmen hehe). =) Later guys.

-Joe