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My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

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My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby SnowyBoy » 11 Feb 2009 0:09

Not finished yet.... plus it is only a practice lock for machining to see where the cuts should be made. Later models will have 'windows' in strategic places so you can see the workings of the lock without having too much of it cut away.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/985/cimg5611ni3.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5415/cimg5612pi4.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9725/cimg5613no7.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1192/cimg5614xt3.jpg

You can see the latest cuts (with a hacksaw) which still needs to be machined flat to the line to square it up. There's a couple more cuts I want to make on the opposite side also so you can see the bar retract into the recess, but before doing that I have to make a 3D model to see how much material I can remove.

Any comments welcome :) I'll also be selling these soon once I get it sussed out..... classic & protec cylinders.
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Re: My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby SnowyBoy » 11 Feb 2009 0:12

I forgot to mention that the actual cylinder will be cutaway also so you can see the false sets on the discs.
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Re: My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby SnowyBoy » 11 Feb 2009 10:52

I cut the slug earlier today. Only used a cut off wheel & a file to see how it holds up (will use the mill to do it precise on later models).

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1328/cimg5616oi9.jpg

Doing pretty good i think! I'm going to attempt another cut out likethis, but on the other side... then it will look like the discs are floating :D
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Re: My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby mh » 11 Feb 2009 17:23

Very nice, maybe you want to add it to this picture collection thread:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13478&

My PL330N is also in there, waiting for company :)
viewtopic.php?t=30564

Cheers,
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Re: My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby SnowyBoy » 12 Feb 2009 6:58

mh wrote:Very nice, maybe you want to add it to this picture collection thread:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13478&

My PL330N is also in there, waiting for company :)
viewtopic.php?t=30564

Cheers,
mh


Yeah sure! I was looking for a cutaway thread but couldn't find one :(

I'm glad at least 1 person replied! I was begining to think no one liked it lol
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Re: My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby mr_chris79 » 12 Feb 2009 7:20

thats a brilliant cut away! im ashamed to say ive copied your cuts onto my 330 cause yours looks awesome, only problem is the keyways different on mine, ive got the half moon key? Which keyway have i got anyone?
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Re: My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby SnowyBoy » 12 Feb 2009 8:19

mr_chris79 wrote:thats a brilliant cut away! im ashamed to say ive copied your cuts onto my 330 cause yours looks awesome, only problem is the keyways different on mine, ive got the half moon key? Which keyway have i got anyone?


That is called a 'classic'. I think that the classic is pretty much unchanged from the original Abloy disc design when it was conceived.

Also, I'm pretty sure you can fit the protect cylinder & discs into the 330 body as they do bother types on that model.

One more thing, there are a lot of cuts on my abloy which arn't meant to be there.... it is purely a practice lock for cutting away to see how much material i can remove. If you have a look at the picture below, you will see how I want it cut on the next model.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6486/cimg5617fa8.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1888/cimg5618ak7.jpg

Also, there will be a very narrow slit across the top to shoe the ball bearings in their tracks..... that will be done last.
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Re: My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby SnowyBoy » 12 Feb 2009 8:21

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention........ measure for the locking bar at least 5 times, because if you get it wrong the lock is useless. You must have AT THE VERY LEAST 1.5mm on each end inside the case of the pad.

Obviously the above only applies if you will be milling out the recess the locking bar sits in. I'm doing it because I want the discs exposed on all sides.
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Re: My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby mr_chris79 » 12 Feb 2009 18:08

Cheers for the info Snowy, was very helpful indeed! :wink: i think im going to stick with your original design though, i only need to see a little of the discs but im leaving the section where the bar sits well alone because im bound to make a mess of it...how many 330 bodies did you say you had?... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby SnowyBoy » 12 Feb 2009 19:38

mr_chris79 wrote:Cheers for the info Snowy, was very helpful indeed! :wink: i think im going to stick with your original design though, i only need to see a little of the discs but im leaving the section where the bar sits well alone because im bound to make a mess of it...how many 330 bodies did you say you had?... :lol: :lol: :lol:


I had three, Two of which i removed the grub screw from to dismantle.... I sold the other one cos i was short on cash.

I have 1 modified (the one in the pics) and another one dismantled, but not machined. Its marked up ready to be routed like the pic of the one above with the black tape on it. There is also going to be some long slits on the top under the shackle to show the ball bearings.
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Re: My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby Squelchtone » 12 Feb 2009 20:14

SnowyBoy wrote:
mr_chris79 wrote:thats a brilliant cut away! im ashamed to say ive copied your cuts onto my 330 cause yours looks awesome, only problem is the keyways different on mine, ive got the half moon key? Which keyway have i got anyone?


That is called a 'classic'. I think that the classic is pretty much unchanged from the original Abloy disc design when it was conceived.



Greetings from the Ministry of Disinformation Control. mr_chris79, your keyway/key is called Abloy Profile. Abloy Classic was the true half moon shape.

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Re: My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby mr_chris79 » 12 Feb 2009 20:28

Nice one Squelchtone i thank you very much! :D :wink: Your doing a fine job! oh and any tips for an assa 6000?.... :lol:
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Re: My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby Jaakko » 12 Feb 2009 23:28

That is a nice cutaway, congratulations! :) I made a 330 cutaway just week ago, I'll put pictures in the topic mh mentioned, check it out.
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Re: My Abloy 330 Classic Cutaway

Postby SnowyBoy » 14 Feb 2009 7:58

squelchtone wrote:
SnowyBoy wrote:
mr_chris79 wrote:thats a brilliant cut away! im ashamed to say ive copied your cuts onto my 330 cause yours looks awesome, only problem is the keyways different on mine, ive got the half moon key? Which keyway have i got anyone?


That is called a 'classic'. I think that the classic is pretty much unchanged from the original Abloy disc design when it was conceived.



Greetings from the Ministry of Disinformation Control. mr_chris79, your keyway/key is called Abloy Profile. Abloy Classic was the true half moon shape.

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Thanks for correcting me. I wasn't 100% sure. Either way, the lock bodies don't differ from each other.
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