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$25 Abloy Protec Padlock

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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby Jaakko » 12 Jul 2009 7:52

squelchtone wrote:It's what de-activates the DBS to allow the discs to start turning. It's what tells DBS that the key has been inserted all the way, and the DBS (Disc Blocking System) can unblock and let you turn the key

I think you are mixing DC with DBS now :) Disc Controller is the one that blocks the key rotation until fully inserted (the ball bearings or half-moon discs). Disc Block System is engaged when you turn the key 90 degrees: One of the return bars is jammed upwards in to the small notches in the discs, locking them in place.
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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby Squelchtone » 12 Jul 2009 12:06

Jaakko wrote:
squelchtone wrote:It's what de-activates the DBS to allow the discs to start turning. It's what tells DBS that the key has been inserted all the way, and the DBS (Disc Blocking System) can unblock and let you turn the key

I think you are mixing DC with DBS now :) Disc Controller is the one that blocks the key rotation until fully inserted (the ball bearings or half-moon discs). Disc Block System is engaged when you turn the key 90 degrees: One of the return bars is jammed upwards in to the small notches in the discs, locking them in place.



and what would YOU know!?


oh wait.. you're from Finland..

Thanks for clearing it up Jaakko!

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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby Jaakko » 12 Jul 2009 12:50

No problem Squelch :)

Wha I want to see is Dak's pick he ordered modified to even fit the Protec. Then I want to see how he will be able to get past that cage inside the lock that surrounds the key. And of course I want to see how he is going to get feedback from the lock because of the DBS kicking in when tensioning the lock.
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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby Squelchtone » 12 Jul 2009 13:14

Jaakko wrote:No problem Squelch :)

Wha I want to see is Dak's pick he ordered modified to even fit the Protec. Then I want to see how he will be able to get past that cage inside the lock that surrounds the key. And of course I want to see how he is going to get feedback from the lock because of the DBS kicking in when tensioning the lock.


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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby Dak » 12 Jul 2009 17:59

Jaakko wrote:No problem Squelch :)

Wha I want to see is Dak's pick he ordered modified to even fit the Protec. Then I want to see how he will be able to get past that cage inside the lock that surrounds the key. And of course I want to see how he is going to get feedback from the lock because of the DBS kicking in when tensioning the lock.

I sense doubt.

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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby Dak » 12 Jul 2009 17:59

also I will post pictures of the disc detainer pick that im going to mangle. :P
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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby Jaakko » 12 Jul 2009 18:03

Sure, as I said: Go for it, but don't be angry or disappointed when you discover the facts that I told you ;)
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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby Dak » 12 Jul 2009 19:38

Jaakko wrote:Sure, as I said: Go for it, but don't be angry or disappointed when you discover the facts that I told you ;)

oh i know i have as good a chance of getting this as winning the lottery, but the problem with the locksport is, once you pick a lock then you can generally pick it pretty consistantly and have to go buy a new lock. if locks werent so expensive that would be fine. My logic is, if I can never pick this lock then I will never have to spend money on locks again :D
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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby sfi72 » 12 Jul 2009 22:29

Dak wrote:
Jaakko wrote:Sure, as I said: Go for it, but don't be angry or disappointed when you discover the facts that I told you ;)

oh i know i have as good a chance of getting this as winning the lottery

Less actually :D
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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby mh » 12 Jul 2009 23:26

sfi72 wrote:
Dak wrote:oh i know i have as good a chance of getting this as winning the lottery

Less actually :D


I guess that depends on the math, if you look at how many people play lotteries and how many try to pick the Protec...
I believe there are currently 2 (non-indepently verified) claims about manipulating the Protec out there: the decoding mentioned on blackbag and a lengthy picking with some type of curtain-style pick.
So yes, you might have a chance :)

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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby unlisted » 13 Jul 2009 1:24

Dak wrote:also I will post pictures of the disc detainer pick that im going to mangle. :P



Heh, if you don't kill the lock and don't want it after beating it senseless (or your head against a wall senseless) I'll buy it off ya! :lol: :P :wink:
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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby Dak » 16 Jul 2009 16:30

unlisted wrote:
Dak wrote:also I will post pictures of the disc detainer pick that im going to mangle. :P



Heh, if you don't kill the lock and don't want it after beating it senseless (or your head against a wall senseless) I'll buy it off ya! :lol: :P :wink:

this lock is my moby dick. I will not part with it until it's blubber is being sold and its oil being made into perfume :|

lol on a side note though I recieved the pick today. Trippy little thing. I will begine the mangling process tomorrow.
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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby tjweaver84 » 20 Jul 2009 4:04

So Dak how is the pick mangling going?
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Re: $25 Abloy Protec Padlock

Postby Dak » 20 Jul 2009 23:13

well to be honest slowly. I have had random family members stepping in for visit and summer school courses to take care of so i havent had much time as of recent, but I have various pictures and diagrams printed out and am tryin gto plan out what i want to do to this thing. Im being so meticulous because I am only a kid and money is short so I can't really afford to destroy something, at least... if i can help it :D
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