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A good mechanical keyless door lock with lever?

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Re: A good mechanical keyless door lock with lever?

Postby Jaakko » 24 Sep 2009 9:23

FrenchKey wrote:Concerning the number of possible codes, it's 1287 for a 5 digit combo. I have a Excel file with all of them listed.

How can you get 1287 different codes from a lock that has only 1024 different combinations?
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Re: A good mechanical keyless door lock with lever?

Postby FrenchKey » 24 Sep 2009 16:05

Jaakko wrote:How can you get 1287 different codes from a lock that has only 1024 different combinations?


I don't know, but maybe your calculation is wrong or my Excel file is wrong. But I don't think that my excel file is wrong. I did not see any redundancy, and all the combo might exist.
I consider that I have the digits 0123456789XYZ (which is the case for the Digital locks we have in France), and a 5 digits combo.

Locks are different, you also have some locks with less or more buttons.
And I already saw such a lock which needed to push 2 times the same button. I tried several times without pushing 2 times, it did not work, I don't know how it worked exactly...

Unfortunately, I think we cannot determine the number of possible combos in general, because there are a lot of different locks.
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Re: A good mechanical keyless door lock with lever?

Postby Rickthepick » 24 Sep 2009 16:48

Iv never come across a mechanical digital lock that needs a button pressing twice?
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Re: A good mechanical keyless door lock with lever?

Postby unlisted » 24 Sep 2009 17:30

Rickthepick wrote:Iv never come across a mechanical digital lock that needs a button pressing twice?

wait, which one?

Mechanical? (no electronics)

or

Digital (with electronics)
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Re: A good mechanical keyless door lock with lever?

Postby MacGyver101 » 24 Sep 2009 17:38

FrenchKey wrote:I consider that I have the digits 0123456789XYZ (which is the case for the Digital locks we have in France), and a 5 digits combo.

Ah, I think that Jaakko was assuming just digits 0 through 9. (I had made the same assumption myself.)

You are quite correct: with thirteen single-press buttons to choose from, there are a total of 1287 unique combinations with 5 digits.
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Re: A good mechanical keyless door lock with lever?

Postby Jaakko » 24 Sep 2009 21:33

Ah, that explains it :) With 13 buttons it is 8192 different combinations, so it would take much more to go through the obvious ones.
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Re: A good mechanical keyless door lock with lever?

Postby FrenchKey » 25 Sep 2009 0:43

Concerning the button that needed to be pushed twice, I was really surprised. I'm sure it was a totally mechanical lock. But as I could not take it apart, I don't know how it worked. (It was an in-use lock) and unfortunately I can't remember the brand.

Maybe each back plate has 3 possible positions, non touched, pushed 1, pushed twice. That what I guess.
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