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High security lever lock design

TOSL Project. A community project to "build a better mousetrap".

High security lever lock design

Postby Rickthepick » 10 Jan 2010 5:09

I dabbled with this idea for ages and came up with one decent idea but could never design a working model.

In a standard mortise lever lock, the Talon (the part that your key catches and pulls) is always set at the back/front of the lock depending on the side of the door your on, and thats where we have always applied the tension when picking.

PICKING

I concluded that a lock with the talon set in the center of the bolt would make things much harder when picking, as you would have levers on either side of the bolt. A six lever for example would be 3 levers, bolt, 3 levers.

Of course with a CB curtain pick this lock would still be pickable.

So now imagine two curtain wheels, one either side of the bolt. These curtain wheels are not the conventional type that throw the bolt but act solely as a shield. The curtain wheel your side could be manipulated to allow access to the front 3 levers but the back 3 would be shielded.

Any attempt to apply tension with a wire or non CB pick would obstruct the back levers too

DRILLING

Drilling to lever pick would be very tricky!

you would have to lift 3 lvers into position and then drill through the bolt to access the back levers

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I managed to get some good 2d designs for this lock to scale but i could never achieve a 20mm bolt throw as you would need an exceptionally long, or fat bitted key. Conventionally it is done with the curtain wheels, but as they arent a part of the working mechanism in this design they cant be used.

:roll: iv given up for the minute il see if i can upload the working drawings
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Re: High security lever lock design

Postby exspook » 10 Jan 2010 11:59

The three levers, talon, three levers is found on the ROSS safe lock in Australia and on some foreign double bitted keys, but they do make three in one picks for these.
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Re: High security lever lock design

Postby Rickthepick » 10 Jan 2010 12:07

3 in 1 picks :o wow
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Re: High security lever lock design

Postby exspook » 10 Jan 2010 15:13

you can make a 3 in 1 pick by using a pipe two in one pick, drilling through the rest of the hole and inserting a additional lifting section from a old 2 in 1 (if that makes sense)
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Re: High security lever lock design

Postby Wizer » 11 Jan 2010 3:39

I´m not very familiar with these locks, but I think that these Boda locks, viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10018
tension from the middle. As well as that new Bodaguard by Abloy.
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Re: High security lever lock design

Postby Rickthepick » 11 Jan 2010 4:15

sure looks like it!

Its a good idea then, but as always its already been done. Iv genuinly never heard of these locks before. Id like to see how they ovecome a few of the problems i came against 8)
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Re: High security lever lock design

Postby FrenchKey » 14 Jan 2010 5:40

Hi,

you also can find this kind of lock from mottura, and cisa. Double bitted keys, 6 or 10 levers (bolt in the middle)

Because of the design (double-bitted keys), it is easy to tension them and have a lot of space to play with levers.
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Re: High security lever lock design

Postby femurat » 14 Jan 2010 6:11

Yes, mottura, cisa and a lot of other locks called "doppia mappa" are made this way in Italy.

This lock is a basic version of what you described. Rick, what problems are you talking/thinking about? Even if the concept already exists you can improve it...

Cheers :)
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Re: High security lever lock design

Postby Rickthepick » 14 Jan 2010 7:59

Problems: off the top of my head its been a while since i played with the idea

- bolt followers to keep the bolt moving square through the casing

- the extra 4mm bolt throw to make it BS

- holding the curtains in place, not contacting the bolt and both independent of the other

im sure theres more but thats all that springs to mind at the min
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