Lock Picking 101 Forum
A community dedicated to the fun and ethical hobby of lock picking.
       

Lock Picking 101 Home
Login
Profile
Members
Forum Rules
Frequent Forum Questions
SEARCH
View New Posts
View Active Topics


Live Chat on Discord
LP101 Forum Chat
Keypicking Forum Chat
Reddit r/lockpicking Chat



Learn How to Pick Locks
FAQs & General Questions
Got Beginner Questions?
Pick-Fu [Intermediate Level]


Ask a Locksmith
This Old Lock
This Old Safe
What Lock Should I Buy?



Hardware
Locks
Lock Patents
Lock Picks
Lock Bumping
Lock Impressioning
Lock Pick Guns, Snappers
European Locks & Picks
The Machine Shop
The Open Source Lock
Handcuffs


Member Spotlight
Member Introductions
Member Lock Collections
Member Social Media


Off Topic
General Chatter
Other Puzzles


Locksmith Business Info
Training & Licensing
Running a Business
Keyways & Key Blanks
Key Machines
Master Keyed Systems
Closers and Crash Bars
Life Safety Compliance
Electronic Locks & Access
Locksmith Supplies
Locksmith Lounge


Buy Sell Trade
Buy - Sell - Trade
It came from Ebay!


Advanced Topics
Membership Information
Special Access Required:
High Security Locks
Vending Locks
Advanced Lock Pick Tools
Bypass Techniques
Safes & Safe Locks
Automotive Entry & Tools
Advanced Buy/Sell/Trade


Locksport Groups
Locksport Local
Chapter President's Office
Locksport Board Room
 

Your Most Unusual Padlock

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
Forum rules
Do not post safe related questions in this sub forum! Post them in This Old Safe

The sub forum you are currently in is for asking Beginner Hobby Lock Picking questions only.

Your Most Unusual Padlock

Postby Stonebreaker » 27 Jul 2010 17:42

I just started picking padlocks a couple weeks ago although I have been collecting unusual locks for the past few years. My most unusual one is this Navy lock that I bought at the flea market, it was used for securing weapons and needs two different keys to open:

Image

Image

Image

I haven't been able to pick it yet, but I haven't spent much time on it.

If you have any unusual or interesting locks please post them.
Stonebreaker
 
Posts: 33
Joined: 27 Jul 2010 17:00

Re: Your Most Unusual Padlock

Postby Engineer » 27 Jul 2010 19:42

Nice first post!

Very interesting lock. I've seen a few dual-key locks, but never one like that - Thank you for posting it!
Image
Engineer
 
Posts: 584
Joined: 21 Aug 2008 14:53
Location: UK

Re: Your Most Unusual Padlock

Postby Squelchtone » 27 Jul 2010 21:19

I knew your photos looked familiar. I saw them on your blog about 2 years ago when I was writing a paper on military padlocks.

http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/2007/02/set-157.html

I don't think you'll be picking that lock any time soon unless you can pick 6 pin Medeco cylinders. It uses the same cylinders as the S&G 831 padlock.

NAPEC: Naval Ammunition Production Engineering Center

CEL: The Naval Civil Engineering Laboratory

Here's a view from an old service manual:
Image

btw, they never assigned a National Stock Number (NSN) to this model. Yours, the most common type, is a Style 1, there was also a Style 2 and Style 3.

;-)

Squelchtone
Last edited by Squelchtone on 27 Jul 2010 21:21, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: fixed url
Image
User avatar
Squelchtone
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11307
Joined: 11 May 2006 0:41
Location: right behind you.

Re: Your Most Unusual Padlock

Postby Engineer » 27 Jul 2010 21:25

It's been a while since I've said this Squelchtone, but you really do amaze me with the obscurity of what you know...

Any chance you might donate your hard drive one day as the LP101 museum??? :lol:

Seriously though, well done - I thought that really was an obscure one.
Image
Engineer
 
Posts: 584
Joined: 21 Aug 2008 14:53
Location: UK

Re: Your Most Unusual Padlock

Postby raimundo » 28 Jul 2010 8:24

Yah, squelchys the gotoguy on a lot of stuff, so I looked at his profile and on page 144 or his posts are his earliest ones, he was a real newbie in '06. Hes been to all the Cons, and ive been to none of them yet.
he appears to have loaded with a lot of information and experience since then. He must have put in a solid lot of time at picking reseaching and collecting locks since then, as well as getting to know the other pickers here.

You too can learn a lot here, and just from squelchs posts.
Wake up and smell the Kafka!!!
raimundo
 
Posts: 7130
Joined: 21 Apr 2004 9:02
Location: Minnneapolis

Re: Your Most Unusual Padlock

Postby Stonebreaker » 28 Jul 2010 11:11

Thanks for posting the image from the service manual. My lock has three keys, two with round heads that each work in cylinders A or B, and the third has a square head that says 'control key' on it, and it just works in one of the cylinders. Under the name medeco on each of the keys is a number that has been x'ed out, and under that is a new number that has been stamped, so it looks like it's been rekeyed.

I've been told that this lock is worth between $500-$1000, can someone narrow that down based on the above information?


Another lock that I found at the flea market, it's a king pin lock for 5th wheel style trailers, it was very easy to pick:
Image

Image

Here's a lock that someone sent to me, they were looking to find its exact purpose, might be another king pin lock, anyone recognize it?
Image

This combination lock belongs to a friend:
Image

Image

Image
Stonebreaker
 
Posts: 33
Joined: 27 Jul 2010 17:00

Re: Your Most Unusual Padlock

Postby Squelchtone » 28 Jul 2010 11:29

You see those 2 holes in your shackle? they were for permanently mounting the shackle to the hasp, and in order to open the door, you removed the padlock body, not the hasp. The padlock would simply drop down and there would be room to separate the hasp parts. I have an instructional manual drawing of it kicking around here somewhere.

The XXX's over the numbers on the keys meant that they were retired from use. Not sure if it meant that it was rekeyed. Sometimes you'll see numbers X'd out and new number above them or next to them, meaning they just renumbered the keys based on the in house chart they kept in their key cabinet. (This is based on afaik (as far as I know) info.) Your keys bother me because I don't believe your lock needed a square head control key.. You just remove the shackle and then use a punch to knock out that small pin on the side of the lock and remove the cover. So you might be right that the keys came from another lock such as 831 which used the same keyway but also used a square head control key. If your control key also has a notch cut out of the keyblade near the bow, that makes it a Hi-Shear LK1200 padlock control key, I've seen these get mixed with 831 padlocks before.

I'd have to see your keys in order to see how beat up, cracked, bent they are in order to estimate an accurate street value for the padlock, but having the 3 keys already makes it worth more than $500. There are some of these floating around in the collector circles, so it's certainly not one of a kind, but it is not as plentiful on ebay as an old 831 or even a newer 833 padlock. If the keys were original, I'd look past $500, but if they are not, then it will probably top out around that price. $350-$500. Maybe $500 to $700 if the keys you have are pristine and didnt have the XXX's on them. This is all based on my personal experience and opinion, so your mileage may vary.

Squelchtone
Image
User avatar
Squelchtone
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11307
Joined: 11 May 2006 0:41
Location: right behind you.

Re: Your Most Unusual Padlock

Postby Stonebreaker » 28 Jul 2010 18:12

Thanks for the further information on the lock, the keys are in good shape other than the x'ed out numbers, I'm not planning to sell it but if I ever do I'll let everyone know.
Stonebreaker
 
Posts: 33
Joined: 27 Jul 2010 17:00

Re: Your Most Unusual Padlock

Postby Squelchtone » 28 Jul 2010 20:20

Stonebreaker wrote:Thanks for the further information on the lock, the keys are in good shape other than the x'ed out numbers, I'm not planning to sell it but if I ever do I'll let everyone know.


hoarder!

sell it, sell it, sell it, sell it! =)

it's not as aesthetically nice looking as your other pieces.. you should just get rid of it, its so bulky and cold looking.. I'll even cover shipping. how about $79 to your paypal.. cmon.. that's A LOT of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer!

let us know when you're done fapping to it, so that we can buy it and fap to it. Thanks!
Squelchtone
Image
User avatar
Squelchtone
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11307
Joined: 11 May 2006 0:41
Location: right behind you.

Re: Your Most Unusual Padlock

Postby Dak » 5 Aug 2010 20:49

heres a video of the lock

http://s109.photobucket.com/albums/n79/ ... U00149.flv

Image

I got it because of two things i greatly enjoy, locks... and batman. So my dad found me a "bat-lock". Its a chinese thing. Suposed to be an antique. fun little thing.
Dak
 
Posts: 167
Joined: 17 Oct 2007 15:01
Location: Idaho


Return to Got Questions? - Ask Beginner Hobby Lockpicking Questions Here

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 20 guests