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Picking a padlock.

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Picking a padlock.

Postby tyler_stevo » 30 Nov 2012 4:53

Hello. I am new here so i dont know if this has been covered.
But i am into lock picking and i saw this video on youtube where he picked a padlock without a tention wrench.
how does he do it?

Thanks for anyone who replies.
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Picking a padlock without a tention wrench?.

Postby tyler_stevo » 30 Nov 2012 7:37

tyler_stevo wrote:Hello. I am new here so i dont know if this has been covered.
But i am into lock picking and i saw this video on youtube where he picked a padlock without a tention wrench.
how does he do it?

Thanks for anyone who replies.
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Re: Picking a padlock.

Postby GWiens2001 » 30 Nov 2012 7:53

I would suspect that there were no pins in the lock. Unless it was farmerfreak, in which case I would not be that surprised. He can do things with a pick that are just plain amazing.

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Re: Picking a padlock.

Postby Teddy Picker » 30 Nov 2012 8:03

Wider specialized picks sometimes don't need a tensioning tool, because they act more like a key (i.e. Southord's warded picks). That's my guess. I don't think anyone will be able to say without seeing the video, though. Can you link us?
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Re: Picking a padlock.

Postby tyler_stevo » 30 Nov 2012 8:06

here is the video. just skip abit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPoNrThS9zM
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Re: Picking a padlock.

Postby Teddy Picker » 30 Nov 2012 8:16

:D Okay, now I change my guess to that it's fake. Some of those locks all he does is put the pick in and wiggle it madly, and the lock pops open. I'm guessing they're warded locks with the wards removed so all he has to do is press a lever. Definitely not unmodified locks.
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Re: Picking a padlock.

Postby tyler_stevo » 30 Nov 2012 8:20

so you think its actually "fake" locks?
would they be bought like that?
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Re: Picking a padlock.

Postby Squelchtone » 30 Nov 2012 8:56

tyler_stevo wrote:so you think its actually "fake" locks?
would they be bought like that?


You can buy "gimmicked" padlocks from magic supply shops.

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Re: Picking a padlock.

Postby tyler_stevo » 30 Nov 2012 9:01

i have looked everywhere for them...
can you link me Squelchtone? :)
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Re: Picking a padlock.

Postby Solomon » 30 Nov 2012 9:08

Teddy Picker wrote::D Okay, now I change my guess to that it's fake. Some of those locks all he does is put the pick in and wiggle it madly, and the lock pops open. I'm guessing they're warded locks with the wards removed so all he has to do is press a lever. Definitely not unmodified locks.

In warded padlocks, pressing the lever is all you have to do. Removing the wards would admittedly make it doable with a straight pick (which is what it looks like he's using), but those locks aren't warded. The quality isn't very good but when he's fiddling with one of them you can make out the shield in front of the keyway which is used on certain padlocks to prevent the key from being turned the wrong way. With some cam designs, the plug can be turned either way, but only a clockwise turn will open... so they put the shield on to stop idiots from trying to force it open in the wrong direction. You never see that on warded padlocks. Also, you can see the "Master" logo on one of them and master warded padlocks don't look like that. These are definitely pin tumblers, probably some kind of "commercial" master lock.

My guess is that the locks are gimmicked. He's an escape artist, you can buy gimmicked locks from online magic stores. There was no inspection of the locks beforehand. Yeah. There aren't many locks you could jiggle open like that, not even master locks lol... so something is definitely up. If he was practicing on the locks beforehand to get the feel for them and pick them genuinely in the escape, it'd make sense for him to be using proper tools. Which he wasn't. No tension wrench, probability of 3 genuine locks being able to be jiggled open with a single tool... the locks have to be gimmicked. There's no other explanation. It almost looks like he's trying to turn them CCW as well; any master lock with that shield I've picked can be turned CCW but it won't pop the shackle. Gimmicked all the way.

And if that wasn't enough... he managed to open the last one with a belt buckle (which would probably be too big to even go into the keyway) after conveniently dropping his pick. That's just showmanship for ya. Speaking of belts... at 48 seconds you can see one of his crew holding the belt he was wearing in the escape. Don't start thinking too much about what you see on TV. ;)

The only thing there that he legitimately picked open were the handcuffs. They're a simple design and they weren't double locked, so they could've easily been opened with any pick like what he was using... which explains why those took slightly longer.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a murder investigation to tend to.
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Re: Picking a padlock.

Postby tyler_stevo » 30 Nov 2012 9:15

Solomon (i hope you see this post)
i also have another video where the locks are inspected, by witch i believe is a legit person ( meaning he is not in on the escape)

i know that the handcuffs are legit, there easy, but its just how can in this video, the locks be inspected and then picked without a tention wrench.
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Re: Picking a padlock.

Postby Squelchtone » 30 Nov 2012 9:15

tyler_stevo wrote:i have looked everywhere for them...
can you link me Squelchtone? :)


you must have not looked too hard.. :D I went to google and typed "gimmicked padlock" and the first result was this:

http://www.richardsherrysmagic.com/rest ... raints.php

also look for "trick padlock"

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Re: Picking a padlock.

Postby tyler_stevo » 30 Nov 2012 9:20

wow, that was easy for you to find... i v been looking for weeks..
Alright thanks for your help! :)
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Re: Picking a padlock.

Postby Solomon » 30 Nov 2012 9:26

tyler_stevo wrote:Solomon (i hope you see this post)
i also have another video where the locks are inspected, by witch i believe is a legit person ( meaning he is not in on the escape)

i know that the handcuffs are legit, there easy, but its just how can in this video, the locks be inspected and then picked without a tention wrench.

The whole idea of gimmicked padlocks is so they appear completely normal upon inspection, but can also be opened easily without the key without any real skill. The locks aren't genuine, trust me on that. They just can't be.
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Re: Picking a padlock.

Postby Solomon » 30 Nov 2012 9:28

Sorry for the double post... I just checked out squelchy's link, and the exact locks he used in that act were on that page. $49 each!! Woulda been cheaper for him to just buy some real ones and pick them properly... they're not exactly hard. :mrgreen:
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