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Handle lock is kickin' my butt

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Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby dmcintyre86 » 6 Jun 2014 18:12

I was on a re-key job at a local business today, all went well until i ran into the final office in the back.
The door is secured by a Cal-Royal Satin Lever Handle.

Key-way is SC4 (6 pin cylinder)

I was unable to pick this lock for the life of me, and of coarse the tenants didn't have a working key...ugh.
Pick gun didn't work either.

After talking over options with the owner, we resorted to drilling the cylinder...I figured i would have a replacement on the truck and we would be good to go...come to find out the cylinder assembly has an odd groove in the bottom that must line up to the assembly.

All the cylinders i have on the truck do not match up to this assembly. I have looked online to order a replacement and cant find anything that replicates this...PLEASE HELP!

i dont know how to upload images on here...or i would have the cylinder pics.. :(
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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby silvfox1200 » 6 Jun 2014 18:43

I have not worked with that type of lock, but there are several listed on ebay. Have you tried there.

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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby billdeserthills » 6 Jun 2014 20:56

McDonald Dash sells Cal Royal, it's likely cheaper to toss the whole thing in the trash and buy a new one. Too bad you didn't know how to impression a lock, cause you prolly spent that much time already looking around for a replacement.
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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby Raymond » 6 Jun 2014 22:02

Next time that happens use an under the door tool to open the door and then disassemble the lever from the inside out. Make the key and move on to the next one.
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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby 1mrchristopher » 6 Jun 2014 22:34

+1 on using a K22. Easier and quicker than picking in most cases.
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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby cledry » 7 Jun 2014 8:04

The cylinders for Cal-Royal that you can use are the Ilco universal KIK cylinders, the cylinders for General or LSDA grade 2 locks. These only cost a few dollars.

You could have used a lever removal tool as well.

I will often make a key to another lock, mortise cylinder, or DB when I arrive on a rekey where no keys are available. It saves time.

I would spend no more than a couple of minutes on the Cal Royal, bumping usually works better than a pick gun.
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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby cledry » 7 Jun 2014 8:06

Raymond wrote:Next time that happens use an under the door tool to open the door and then disassemble the lever from the inside out. Make the key and move on to the next one.


That's more work than it is worth. I would only do that if the cylinder needed saving and if a lever removal tool didn't work. If a Cal Royal takes more than 30 minutes to service it is a losing proposition based on my labor rates and the cost of a replacement.
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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby billdeserthills » 7 Jun 2014 13:28

cledry wrote:
Raymond wrote:Next time that happens use an under the door tool to open the door and then disassemble the lever from the inside out. Make the key and move on to the next one.


That's more work than it is worth. I would only do that if the cylinder needed saving and if a lever removal tool didn't work. If a Cal Royal takes more than 30 minutes to service it is a losing proposition based on my labor rates and the cost of a replacement.



Actually the last time I used my lever remover tool on a Cal Royal it broke the little pot-metal tab off that holds the lever onto the lockset, then I had to toss the whole thing in the trash.
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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby globallockytoo » 7 Jun 2014 14:47

or bag the jamb and loid the latch. Disassemble from inside and twist tail piece with needlenose pliers, then pull retainer down and pop off lever. Repin, straighten tail piece, reassemble. Done. Prolly take a half hr or so.
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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby cledry » 7 Jun 2014 18:12

billdeserthills wrote:
cledry wrote:
Raymond wrote:Next time that happens use an under the door tool to open the door and then disassemble the lever from the inside out. Make the key and move on to the next one.


That's more work than it is worth. I would only do that if the cylinder needed saving and if a lever removal tool didn't work. If a Cal Royal takes more than 30 minutes to service it is a losing proposition based on my labor rates and the cost of a replacement.



Actually the last time I used my lever remover tool on a Cal Royal it broke the little pot-metal tab off that holds the lever onto the lockset, then I had to toss the whole thing in the trash.


I've not had it happen, but it isn't an expensive lock so not surprising.
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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby alockguru » 9 Jun 2014 9:38

I bet a 6pin bump key would have opened it up pretty quick :)
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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby dmcintyre86 » 9 Jun 2014 13:39

alockguru wrote:I bet a 6pin bump key would have opened it up pretty quick :)


tried that too...no avail...lol
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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby dmcintyre86 » 9 Jun 2014 13:43

I have gotten the handle disassembled. However the issue is finding a replacement 6 pin cylinder that has a mounting groove on the bottom. All the other commercial Cylinders i have or have seen are flush bottoms and the way this thing is set up...they wont slide into place.
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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby billdeserthills » 9 Jun 2014 13:50

If you want, folks would be glad to look around for one but we need a picture
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Re: Handle lock is kickin' my butt

Postby dmcintyre86 » 9 Jun 2014 17:50

how do i upload a picture on this?? haha
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