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Help with this key.

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Help with this key.

Postby foobar83 » 6 Jan 2015 23:05

Hi everyone. Just a humble property owner looking for some help.

This is the only copy of this key we have and I'm trying to get a copy made. Our local locksmith was stumped as to the kind of blank to use and the hardware store was not helpful either.

Any leads would be greatly appreciated. It's got a neutered bow and no markings (as far as I can tell).

Thanks for any help!

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Re: Help with this key.

Postby blue60 » 6 Jan 2015 23:11

Can you snap a pic of the Lock it's for?
at least for myself its easier to have a pic of the Keyway (most blank catalog's have a silhouette of the key way) :)

And welcome to the forum :)
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby foobar83 » 6 Jan 2015 23:23

Totally. Here's what I got for ya:

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(I've been paging through the Ilco catalog during my off time today with no luck so far.)
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby billdeserthills » 6 Jan 2015 23:47

It is a private restricted keyway that a former locksmith sold. You might find it cheaper to replace the lock it fits, than find the guy who installed it
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby foobar83 » 7 Jan 2015 0:12

It is a private restricted keyway that a former locksmith sold. You might find it cheaper to replace the lock it fits, than find the guy who installed it


Daww. I wondered if that was the case. Replacement it is then. Thanks for your help!
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby billdeserthills » 7 Jan 2015 0:27

foobar83 wrote:
It is a private restricted keyway that a former locksmith sold. You might find it cheaper to replace the lock it fits, than find the guy who installed it


Daww. I wondered if that was the case. Replacement it is then. Thanks for your help!



That locksmith can likely replace the keyway in your lever handle for under $35, if you take the lock off & bring it to him
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby 2octops » 7 Jan 2015 22:24

Just replace the cylinder in the lever. They are dirt cheap.
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby bioggy » 7 Jan 2015 22:42

Could you take a pic from the tip because someone here may notice one from a key blank catalogue :) it looks similar to one of the banks I have here :p
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby billdeserthills » 7 Jan 2015 23:31

foobar83 wrote:Totally. Here's what I got for ya:

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(I've been paging through the Ilco catalog during my off time today with no luck so far.)




Here Ya go bioggy, I think it looks like this
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby blue60 » 7 Jan 2015 23:44

I swear I recall seeing a key way that looked similar to that when I was doing some reading over the Holidays.
I have been looking for the last day with no luck, I will keep at it though ;)

If that was a private key way restricted to one locksmith company's use who would have made the hardware? I am guessing key blanks were not made in house. (and if they were I would love to work for that company) :mrgreen:
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby billdeserthills » 7 Jan 2015 23:49

blue60 wrote:I swear I recall seeing a key way that looked similar to that when I was doing some reading over the Holidays.
I have been looking for the last day with no luck, I will keep at it though ;)

If that was a private key way restricted to one locksmith company's use who would have made the hardware? I am guessing key blanks were not made in house. (and if they were I would love to work for that company) :mrgreen:


I think HL Flake or McDonald Dash sell the keys & the lock cylinders but there is a "buy-in" requirement. I just don't like locksmiths who play this type game
on their clients. I have seen this key several times already as clients have come in to get it copied and wind-up feeling like someone screwed them over when
I explain that it's a restricted key that I can't buy, used to keep them from getting a copy.
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby blue60 » 8 Jan 2015 0:02

billdeserthills wrote:I think HL Flake or McDonald Dash sell the keys & the lock cylinders but there is a "buy-in" requirement. I just don't like locksmiths who play this type game
on their clients. I have seen this key several times already as clients have come in to get it copied and wind-up feeling like someone screwed them over when
I explain that it's a restricted key that I can't buy, used to keep them from getting a copy.



I agree it sucks, but I was thinking it would not be bad to give people the option to buy a restricted key way but then I would have at least a phone number stamped on it so in the future people could get keys cut for it
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby billdeserthills » 8 Jan 2015 0:19

blue60 wrote:
billdeserthills wrote:I think HL Flake or McDonald Dash sell the keys & the lock cylinders but there is a "buy-in" requirement. I just don't like locksmiths who play this type game
on their clients. I have seen this key several times already as clients have come in to get it copied and wind-up feeling like someone screwed them over when
I explain that it's a restricted key that I can't buy, used to keep them from getting a copy.



I agree it sucks, but I was thinking it would not be bad to give people the option to buy a restricted key way but then I would have at least a phone number stamped on it so in the future people could get keys cut for it



Never happen, thing is when you are selling a restricted key system you hafta make sure only the "right people" even know where to buy another key...

Actually I saw this same key blank on sale on e-bay a few days ago, but they wanted too much money for it
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby 2octops » 8 Jan 2015 16:58

It looks like Clarks locksmith keyway
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby cledry » 8 Jan 2015 17:59

billdeserthills wrote:
blue60 wrote:I swear I recall seeing a key way that looked similar to that when I was doing some reading over the Holidays.
I have been looking for the last day with no luck, I will keep at it though ;)

If that was a private key way restricted to one locksmith company's use who would have made the hardware? I am guessing key blanks were not made in house. (and if they were I would love to work for that company) :mrgreen:


I think HL Flake or McDonald Dash sell the keys & the lock cylinders but there is a "buy-in" requirement. I just don't like locksmiths who play this type game
on their clients. I have seen this key several times already as clients have come in to get it copied and wind-up feeling like someone screwed them over when
I explain that it's a restricted key that I can't buy, used to keep them from getting a copy.


Not sure why you think locksmiths who offer a restricted keyway are screwing their customer or playing a game. In my experience a customer will say I am tired of my tenants getting copies to give to all and sundry, what is the most cost effective solution to my problem? Then then you offer a restricted keyway and the customer is happy and the key duplication stops. What am I missing?
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