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Show us your keys!

Pull up a chair, grab a cold one, and talk about life as a locksmith. Trade stories of good and bad customers, general work day frustrations, any fun projects you worked on recently, or anything else you want to chat about with fellow locksmiths.

Show us your keys!

Postby Sinifar » 24 May 2015 10:33

In the May 2015 Locksmith Ledger there is an article on page 32 about keys / keyboards. I thought it would be fun for the smiths on this board to have the chance to show off theirs. So since I am proposing this I will go first.

When I started this biz in the early 70's I had only a Taylor key assortment and the board it came on. A 2 x 3 little thing with double hooks and of course 100 different key numbers about 5 of each. Of course that grew and when we had the shops we had over 4000 key numbers and tons of junk which never went anyplace which we had picked up from hardware stores which went out of biz, a few locksmith estate sales, and other out of the way places I did buy odd, read that sectional, keys. I still have a ton of old sectionals which I will never use, but they are part of the firm so today they sit on separate 2 x 4 boards down here up against one odd wall.

From the shops with the 16 feet of keys to today's 4 x 12 down here has been a long haul. This is today's board down here in the bunker .....

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Looks a bit crowded, and disorganized, but know it is not. There are no car keys or junk up here. Mostly it is the stuff I cut every day and that group is in the middle of the board, with a galaxy of the supporting keys around it. Those are set up in the usual "Ilco" key number method by using the catalog and going from A to Y in order, by manufacturer and number. The popular ones of that are in the middle.

Best IC are stored only in boxes right behind the Framon. When I need to cut them I bring in the A1 punch, and pull stock. Medeco, and all the other high security keys are in the lower left of the Framon as either the 339 or the #2 will be used for cutting them only. Safe deposit keys are above the 9 as that is where they are cut. (Lower right on the board behind it.)

In front of the board is our main key machines -- starting with the closest one to you, a Curtis #9 which we bought new in 1974. Next to that is my Framon #2, then a Craftsman grinder with a wire wheel on one side and a fine grinding wheel on the other for just about everything which needs what final "touch" or resharpening. Beyond that the motor room gets fuzzy. The ESP 339 is next, which I make the high security keys on like side winders, ACE, and cutting the side bar cuts on Jet Primus series keys. I also use this to remill existing blanks to make up keys which I don't have. Beyond that is a HPC Speedex out of the old truck - it has those center grip vises for double sided keys which most seem to have trouble with.

Also down here but not seen are tons of old machines out of the shops -- Curtis 2000 auto, the Jet 2000 which doesn't cut ACE, Curtis #2 which is today "junk" but I still could use some of the parts for the 9 if I needed it. A long worn out Scotsman, and I don't know how many boxes of ACE keys we cut on that thing. AND of course an Ilco #8 Dynamite which is in the show room, as it was one of our earliest machines and the spare Foley 200s. I have a few of those from friends over the years who just wanted someplace to toss the things, and I use them for parts for the one in the van today. Also not seen is the hand punch to cut Schlage double sided wafer keys. That hangs on the board, and if I ever use it again ... there is also one in the van, again -- who still cuts those 1307A or 1307W keys?

More when I do the van's key stuff, maybe later on.

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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby jeffmoss26 » 24 May 2015 11:10

Thanks for sharing. I am just a hobbyist but here is my setup:
No-name bench grinder, Cole 3K duplicator metal plate and stamps, and my trusty bench vise.
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Most keyblanks are in these Jandorf drawers which I got from the hardware store.
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Some others in boxes on the other side of the shop.
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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby Squelchtone » 24 May 2015 14:10

I like this thread already! excellent idea Sinifar! =)
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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby 2octops » 25 May 2015 15:10

I'm a little different than most.

I've seen 2 decades pass with this business. Yes I've bought out many other locksmiths over the years as well as hardware stores and accumulated blanks by the tens of thousands at a time.

A retail store with a 40' key board full is quiet impressive to see for most customers but in reality obsolete blanks do nothing more than take up valuable real estate. I cleaned house a few years ago and sold off anything I had not used in 5 years. I reinvested that money into the business on more modern tools and fresh inventory.

I have less than 400 numbers in stock and no more than a single box worth of most with the exception of some commercial and automotive keys that we use in mass quantity. Mine are not stored on hooks since they tend to tarnish and collect dust. I store everything in bin boxes arranged on shelving.
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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby tomasfuk » 25 May 2015 15:11

I am far away from having a complete locksmith workshop, but this is my today's acquisition:
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It will be a pleasure to play with it :D
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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby GWiens2001 » 25 May 2015 15:51

Nice, tomasfuk.

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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby nick08037 » 25 May 2015 21:42

2octops wrote:I'm a little different than most.

I've seen 2 decades pass with this business. Yes I've bought out many other locksmiths over the years as well as hardware stores and accumulated blanks by the tens of thousands at a time.

A retail store with a 40' key board full is quiet impressive to see for most customers but in reality obsolete blanks do nothing more than take up valuable real estate. I cleaned house a few years ago and sold off anything I had not used in 5 years. I reinvested that money into the business on more modern tools and fresh inventory.

I have less than 400 numbers in stock and no more than a single box worth of most with the exception of some commercial and automotive keys that we use in mass quantity. Mine are not stored on hooks since they tend to tarnish and collect dust. I store everything in bin boxes arranged on shelving.


" I cleaned house a few years ago and sold off anything I had not used in 5 years. I reinvested that money into the business on more modern tools and fresh inventory."

nice move keeping your business focused and relevant for your market, I truly envy your commitment and business acumen in that regard
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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby dll932 » 26 May 2015 16:00

I have so few blanks I don't have a key board. OTOH, I'm an institutional 'smith so I only need what we use (mostly Best in one keyway and SC1's). I have an Ilco HD045 manual cutter they bought for me, a couple pin kits, tools, and the rest is stock (locks, pads, closers, etc.). A far cry from when I worked at places with large key boards.
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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby MBI » 26 May 2015 16:35

dll932 wrote:I have so few blanks I don't have a key board.

Since moving I haven't bothered to put up pegboard so all my blanks are stacked up in small boxes on a shelf in the garage.
Wouldn't be very exciting in my case, just a pic of a shelf of tiny paper boxes.
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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby jeffmoss26 » 26 May 2015 18:55

I am waiting for Gordon to post pics of his key board!
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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby GWiens2001 » 26 May 2015 21:58

jeffmoss26 wrote:I am waiting for Gordon to post pics of his key board!


The main reason I have not is because it is so overloaded, it has a lot of the bottom row double stacked, and a box the size of a medium flat rate box filled with blanks that still need pegs. Need to find time to make a second board the size of the first. About 14 pounds of key blanks to get onto the new board, none of it auto.

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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby shutterstuff » 29 Nov 2015 17:17

I would love to see more pictures, especially what people have done to their vans. I purchased my keyboards a couple years ago from my mentor, a retired CML of over 40 years. So I cannot take credit for their creation, but he did a fantastic job. I do not have a retail store front, so this is in a 5'x10' walk in closet off my den at home. Not open to the public if I want to stay married!

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And the van I built out this past summer. I had to start on a shoestring budget so I used out old minivan that was already paid for. Enough work space, but storage sucks!

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How I charge my inverter batteries.

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On slow days I am almost always tinkering on something. I was given a 20 watt solar panel, so that is now on the roof with a $13 charge controller from Amazon. Since i RV a lot, I knew about an automatic transfer switch. I added one to the setup so that when I plug in, the batteries are charging but all equipment is operating on shore power.

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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby jeffmoss26 » 29 Nov 2015 17:37

Very nice setups!
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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby billdeserthills » 29 Nov 2015 23:40

Your van looks so nice & clean shutterstuff
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Re: Show us your keys!

Postby MatrixBlackRock » 30 Nov 2015 18:27

shutterstuff wrote:IOn slow days I am almost always tinkering on something. I was given a 20 watt solar panel, so that is now on the roof with a $13 charge controller from Amazon. Since i RV a lot, I knew about an automatic transfer switch. I added one to the setup so that when I plug in, the batteries are charging but all equipment is operating on shore power.

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That is a very nice looking setup you have there, however I would strongly you install a high amperage lug type fuse (100 or so) between the positive terminal of your battery and the conductors that are now connected to it.

Most people cannot imagine the amount of current a small lead acid storage battery can deliver into a bolted short, having a primary fuse at the battery terminal can be the difference between a pop and a flash or watching you van burn to the ground.

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