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LaGard Padlocks

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LaGard Padlocks

Postby GWiens2001 » 8 Aug 2015 16:58

Had the privilege of receiving a batch of LaGard padlocks for someone else, and got to play with them a little. This will be an intro to the padlocks and how they are assembled.

Here is what they look like.

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There are two versions of this lock, but the lock bodies and shackles are all the same.

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View of the top. Note the roll pin that is up on the upper left, next to the shackle. We will cover the purpose of the roll pin later.

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Inside the lock body:

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Here we have the remaining parts of the lock. The screws that hold the bottom plate, the bottom plate, and the cam/actuator.

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The side of the actuator (which also locks the shackle in place).

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Seen from the top, you can see that this lock can not be shimmed open.

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But there is one thing that is undoubtedly being asked by by all of you. Where is the lock cylinder? The answer that... YOU provide the lock cylinder. Here is the bottom plate.

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Put in any KIK cylinder you happen to have handy.

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The cam/actuator then fits on the tailpiece of the KIK cylinder.

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Inside the lock body, here is how the actuator looks in the unlocked position.

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And in the locked position

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OK, you likely are now impatiently wondering how to put this lock together. Well, suppose it is time to get with it before there is a riot.

Here is the actuator set next to the lock body. Notice the notched area on the top right of the actuator. That will be located on the shackle heel side of the lock. The view you have of the actuator is the way it will be facing inside the lock body.

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The lock actuator placed correctly in the lock body. The hole for the roll pin is covered by the actuator, but is located at the bottom left. The only clear shackle hole is on the right, and this is where the shackle heel will be installed later.

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Install the KIK cylinder with the bible facing towards where the shackle toe will be located.

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Put on the bottom plate. You will need to shift the KIK cylinder around as you install the bottom plate so it fits into the slot made for it in the bottom plate.

Now take a 4 mm allen wrench to install both of the screws through the shackle holes, securing the base plate, which in turn keeps the KIK cylinder in place.

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You usually use the key to turn the plug back and forth as needed to position the KIK cylinder. You will also need to turn the plug/actuator once the shackle has been installed.

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What??? You assume that the closest KIK cylinder to me at the time these pics were taken has a key? :roll: The cylinders with keys are elsewhere, so settled for picking. Tough luck, guys and gals. :twisted:

OK, time to put the shackle in place. Here is the shackle.

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See the groove the pick is pointing at? That is to mark how far you put in the shackle for installation.

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Put the shackle heel as far as that line into the shackle hole with the raised section.

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Turn the key (heh heh) to the other direction. The shackle will not fall out now. The lock is now able to work.

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Except for one last step for final assembly. Remember that roll pin?

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Tap it down.

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Now the lock can not have the actuator turned the wrong way, causing the shackle to fall out.

Note that the keyway is centered in the cutout.

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Turn the key clockwise, and the shackle opens. (This lock is key retaining). If the roll pin is removed, the key can be turned counter-clockwise allowing for disassembly of the lock. That is why the roll pin is there. :D

So that is the lock. Except for one thing. The different bottom pieces.

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The KIK cylinders are not fitting in there correctly. :evil:

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Hmmm. What fits there? SFIC!

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The SFIC version requires a different tailpiece/actuator.

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Line up the tailpiece.

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And put it together. (It may take a little force to do so).

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OK, that covers the lock. Except for one thing... AverageJoe has the KIK versions for sale at $20 each (without a KIK cylinder) while they last. Send him a PM.

Hope it was fun for you!

Gordon
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Re: LaGard Padlocks

Postby MacGnG1 » 8 Aug 2015 17:33

nice write up GW!

now i just need a bunch of high sec KIKs to put in mine :P
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Re: LaGard Padlocks

Postby l0ckcr4ck3r » 8 Aug 2015 20:57

Excellent write as always!
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Re: LaGard Padlocks

Postby Raymond » 8 Aug 2015 22:35

Great write up and photos, but...
Help me! Did I miss something?
After putting in both allen screws to hold the bottom plate on,
and locking the shackle in place,
and driving in the roll pin,
how do you rekey it?
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Re: LaGard Padlocks

Postby GWiens2001 » 8 Aug 2015 23:47

Raymond wrote:Great write up and photos, but...
Help me! Did I miss something?
After putting in both allen screws to hold the bottom plate on,
and locking the shackle in place,
and driving in the roll pin,
how do you rekey it?


I would use a small screw extractor, a tap, or a very small screw to grip the roll pin, then pull it out. Then the key can be used to turn the actuator back and allow the shackle to be removed.

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Re: LaGard Padlocks

Postby femurat » 9 Aug 2015 2:09

Raymond, I think these are not supposed to be re-rekeyed. Gordon already suggested a workaround but a roll pin is not meant to be extracted.

Nice bunch of padlocks you have there Gordon, thanks for your clear and detailed write up. I like it's full of pictures, as usual.

Cheers :)
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Re: LaGard Padlocks

Postby Raymond » 9 Aug 2015 17:52

I apologize Femurat. I was letting some of my sarcasm show through. I was only trying to ask extremely simple questions to point loudly to the content of the questions. I recognize the difficulty of removing a roll pin. Even drilling them out is a pain in the neck. Overall, I would say it is not economically feasible to consider that much work just to rekey one. Even for an SFIC the cylinder is non-removeable. You only get the advantage of having it keyed into your system one time.

Now I have to go back and look at the pictures again. Was that a solid pin or a true roll pin? If a hollow roll pin it would let contaminants into the guts of the lock. Would there be room to drive the roll pin into the lock and retrieve it later? Too bad they didnt make the shackle locking plate so it could be moved a little farther than the key could rotate it, by a probe, to release the shackle. That feature might make these catch on a little better with locksmiths.
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Re: LaGard Padlocks

Postby GWiens2001 » 9 Aug 2015 18:19

While the lock is in the locked position, yes, the roll pin can be punched through into the lock body, allowing for disassembly. Good catch, Raymond. :)

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Re: LaGard Padlocks

Postby Raymond » 9 Aug 2015 18:23

Thanks for verifying that. I also noted that the pin IS a hollow roll pin so expect dust, dirt and freezing to be an issue. If I use one I will plan on applying a dab of silicone.
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Re: LaGard Padlocks

Postby femurat » 10 Aug 2015 2:21

Got it, Raymond :) In the end your sarcasm, me falling for it and Gordon curiosity lead to the discovery of a hidden feature of this lock. We hacked it!

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Re: LaGard Padlocks

Postby Squelchtone » 10 Aug 2015 23:11

Excellent write up and wow so many La Gard Model 80 padlocks!!!

So an interesting bit of lock history trivia for you guys, La Gard as you all know is the safe lock company. These padlocks were designed in the early 1980's around the same time that La Gard also designed the LK1200 high security military padlock. Both La Gard and Hi-shear were located in Torrence California. Hi-Shear is much better known for making military hardware such as exploding bolts for aerospace applications such as cockpit canopies that blow off during an ejection. If you look up the Hi-Shear LK1200 patents they are actually issued to La Gard. I suspect Hi-Shear had the manufacturing facility in place to make the LK1200 padlocks that La Gard designed (invented by Tim M. Uyeda)

bonus link: http://www.hstc.com/Products/OrdnanceProducts/SepBolts/

patent for this padlock: https://www.google.com/patents/US4112715

LK1200 padlock patent: https://www.google.com/patents/US4512165
Thanks for the nice photos and explanations GW, very enjoyable read!

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Re: LaGard Padlocks

Postby billdeserthills » 24 Aug 2015 22:26

I think it is too bad this lock has to be cheapened with the addition of plastic junk
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