How to secure my apartments door from invisible intrusion?

[SikkerLass]

I think I have found a way to eliminate the risk of an IP Camera being used to spy on me.

I can install one in a way, so that it only catches the movement of top of the door, which would mean that it would detect opening and closing of the door, whithout revealing wether someone left the room or entered. The other camera, could be filming the window, thus detecting opening and closing of it, as well as possible intruders from the outside?

[pmaxey83]

Cover your whole apartment in flour when you're gone. That way, no matter how they got it in, you'll have a trail to follow.

[jbrint]

If you are going to point a camera at the top of the door that would in my professional opinion defeat the entire purpose of the camera. At this point I would recommend just getting a people counter and call it a day.

You will not be able to make your apartment a fortress no matter what you do. Sure you can better secure it but if someone really, really wants in they are getting in. This is just the way it is.

If you secure all your windows and doors and someone wants to get in they will break into your neighbors crawl through the attic and come in through the ceiling. Assuming you are on a second floor they can just come in through the floor or beat/kick/ram the door completely down.

I install close to 1000 cameras a year and in the 15 years I have been working with and monitoring the only unauthorized access I have seen is employees who haven't been purged from access. With best practices followed you are low risk for attack unless you just open it up to the world and beg someone to come and look at you. I am not trying to sell you on the idea but this with better control of entry/exit points can immediately and irrefutably tell you who/what/when/where and how. If you use motion detection and receive notifications then you will have evidence of whatever intrusion you believe could take place.

This remains true even if they defeat the camera once in place.

Also a reality is if you use WiFi which I assume you already do, then you are already vulnerable to attack via internet. The camera is as safe as your computer.

[cledry]

So you don't want to know who is coming in, just that they are coming in? So why not install a monitored alarm? That wouldn't effect your concern with your privacy either. It could be a silent alarm so that the offender isn't alerted that you know.

I understand you aren't concerned with a brute force attack. So you have two requirements, make it obvious and not easy.

Abloy and silent alarm.

[SikkerLass]

If you are going to point a camera at the top of the door that would in my professional opinion defeat the entire purpose of the camera. At this point I would recommend just getting a people counter and call it a day.

The camera would still be able to give me direct notifications, although no images.

You will not be able to make your apartment a fortress no matter what you do. Sure you can better secure it but if someone really, really wants in they are getting in. This is just the way it is.

If you secure all your windows and doors and someone wants to get in they will break into your neighbors crawl through the attic and come in through the ceiling. Assuming you are on a second floor they can just come in through the floor or beat/kick/ram the door completely down.

I know what you mean, but those intrusions would leave traces unless we imagine some highly unlikely scenario.

I install close to 1000 cameras a year and in the 15 years I have been working with and monitoring the only unauthorized access I have seen is employees who haven't been purged from access. With best practices followed you are low risk for attack unless you just open it up to the world and beg someone to come and look at you. I am not trying to sell you on the idea but this with better control of entry/exit points can immediately and irrefutably tell you who/what/when/where and how. If you use motion detection and receive notifications then you will have evidence of whatever intrusion you believe could take place.
This remains true even if they defeat the camera once in place.

Good point about the motion detection. I will go check out some affordable

Also a reality is if you use WiFi which I assume you already do, then you are already vulnerable to attack via internet. The camera is as safe as your computer.

In which sense do you mean I’m already vulnerable? I know that my computer can be hacked, but do you mean that someone could turn my webcam against me, or that I also need so secure my camera, if it is connected through my computer?

So you don't want to know who is coming in, just that they are coming in? So why not install a monitored alarm? That wouldn't effect your concern with your privacy either. It could be a silent alarm so that the offender isn't alerted that you know.

I understand you aren't concerned with a brute force attack. So you have two requirements, make it obvious and not easy.

Abloy and silent alarm.

Silent alarm is also a good option for me I guess, but doesn't they require that you pay a monthly fee to a company.

Abloy could be an alternative to the Evva MCS, but from a short reading on the subject, it appears to me, that they are very similar in terms of the quality of security they provide.

[Jburgett2nd]

As far as cameras go, you could use a trail cam. They are used for hunting they take a picture when something walks in front of it, and they are not very expensive that and the don't look like a camera a person that doesn't hunt or anything prob wouldn't know what they were looking at. Granted you would have to hook it up to a computer later to find out via USB.

[Squelchtone]

As far as cameras go, you could use a trail cam. They are used for hunting they take a picture when something walks in front of it, and they are not very expensive that and the don't look like a camera a person that doesn't hunt or anything prob wouldn't know what they were looking at. Granted you would have to hook it up to a computer later to find out via USB.

I was going to suggest a non IP camera since OP wants to make sure hackers dont watch OP remotely.

They make a nice hidden clock that is 1080 video and does motion recording

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QRT ... 1_3&sr=8-3

[SikkerLass]

As far as cameras go, you could use a trail cam. They are used for hunting they take a picture when something walks in front of it, and they are not very expensive that and the don't look like a camera a person that doesn't hunt or anything prob wouldn't know what they were looking at. Granted you would have to hook it up to a computer later to find out via USB.

I guess it would be a way cheaper alternative to some wired closed circuit stuff although less secure in case intruders for some reason tried to tamper with it.

I was going to suggest a non IP camera since OP wants to make sure hackers dont watch OP remotely.

They make a nice hidden clock that is 1080 video and does motion recording

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QRT ... 1_3&sr=8-3

Seems like a nice stealth camera, and it doesn't look like som expensive stuff robbers would typically steal?

[DangerDane]

Sikkerlass, most IP cameras can be protected by a code and username. Its generally just a matter of making the code bothersome enough for someone not to be able to get guess it outrightly. Most of the "hackings" and leaks that has been posted in the danish papers has been due to people forgetting to change the default username and passwords on their cameras.

But you can get alarms that doesn't require a monthly subscription from places like Harald Nyborg and such. They only require a sim and then they will text and or call you if they get tripped. And in case you haven't guessed so far I am a dane as well . So if you need help or anything I don't mind giving you a hand one way or the other, even though I doubt I am as skilled or knowledgeable then the rest of the lot on here considered I just joined 1-2 days ago.

Locks wise, I would think Ruko actually also has a few options that require you to be a locksmith in order to open them, and even then it has to be destructive. But whether how pickable or not they are I don't know, but most likely a hell of a lot better then most of the oldish crap they have installed in apartments these days.

But if you want my help, you have it

[SikkerLass]

Sikkerlass, most IP cameras can be protected by a code and username. Its generally just a matter of making the code bothersome enough for someone not to be able to get guess it outrightly. Most of the "hackings" and leaks that has been posted in the danish papers has been due to people forgetting to change the default username and passwords on their cameras.

But you can get alarms that doesn't require a monthly subscription from places like Harald Nyborg and such. They only require a sim and then they will text and or call you if they get tripped. And in case you haven't guessed so far I am a dane as well . So if you need help or anything I don't mind giving you a hand one way or the other, even though I doubt I am as skilled or knowledgeable then the rest of the lot on here considered I just joined 1-2 days ago.

Locks wise, I would think Ruko actually also has a few options that require you to be a locksmith in order to open them, and even then it has to be destructive. But whether how pickable or not they are I don't know, but most likely a hell of a lot better then most of the oldish crap they have installed in apartments these days.

But if you want my help, you have it

Hi!

I'm still a bit uneasy about the whole IP camera thing, but I've upgraded the door and lock already. Those alarms at Harald Nyborg sounds kinda cool, I'll look into that. Thanks for the tip, and thanks for offering me a helping hand. I'll let you know if I'm gonna need help!

[DangerDane]

And hi to you

Places like Silvan and XL Byg has stand alone alarms as well. So its just a matter of which one of them you feel comfortable with using and think is the best for you. The stand alone alarms won't be connected to a monitoring station, but can be configured so that they call or send a text to x amount of numbers if the alarm is otherwise triggered and some of them has a panic function as well.

[SikkerLass]

And hi to you

Places like Silvan and XL Byg has stand alone alarms as well. So its just a matter of which one of them you feel comfortable with using and think is the best for you. The stand alone alarms won't be connected to a monitoring station, but can be configured so that they call or send a text to x amount of numbers if the alarm is otherwise triggered and some of them has a panic function as well.

Okay, cool! I'll check that out. Thanks.

[SikkerLass]

With the EvvA MCS lock properly installed, the door should be impossible to break in through without leaving visible signs of the intrusion right?

[femurat]

yep. and keep your keys always with you.

Cheers