Recommendation for a lock for a "latch"

[DangerDane]

Hi,

I am presently looking for a lock that can be used with truck storage door latch, but that is pretty secure. The original lock it came with didn't leave me with much confidence and I replaced it with one of the older abloy locks. I discovered that doing that manoeuvre presented another challenge, that you couldn't remove the key when the lock was unlocked, which is a feature that I would like.

So away I went and ended up with Medeco and ordered a lock, key and the hole shebang thinking I was finally getting it all together since i had taken measurements etc to ensure I at least would get the right stuff. Well I just tried to install it and the length is all screwy and not what I think I originally did order. So I am now looking for another alternative....

The present lock installed looks like this:
http://i.imgur.com/zPzzDNg.jpg & http://i.imgur.com/LhrW9kv.jpg

And you can sorta see where it all went horribly wrong, and thats even WHEN I am using one of the shrounds. The abloy lock I have has a more appropriate length than the Medeco, but with a plastic end piece and the key can't be removed so that is not really a viable solution... for me.

But the lock that I have is this, and the images display it with the original lock it came with:
http://i.imgur.com/Vbyq9RZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2XnW91T.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qUXbshA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zlNIp7P.jpg

And as you can see I have some issues with the length of the medeco and actually finding an endpiece that will fit the medeco and actually "lock" the slide in place.

So my question to you all are. What options do I have if I want the key/lock to be secure or secureish as in someone can't just hammer a screwdriver in and get it to unlock, or pick it with ease. But at the same time I want to be able to remove the key when the lock is unlocked & I don't have a length issue to deal with. Either because the lock isn't long, or because it comes with or can come supplied with an endpiece that suits my needs.

If measurements of the actual "hole" for the lock is needed just let me know and I will be happy to get them posted in here asap. Same with any other measurements that you might need in regards to this lock.

But I am looking forward to hearing from you all and hope someone might be able to direct me to the right lock for me

[Squelchtone]

I like that you are upgrading your security, that's always a good idea.

I've deal with this sort of thing before and Medeco sells a baggie of long and short and bent and straight cams. Other manufacturers do as well. You could try to fabricate your own that is bent down so that it interacts with the latch mechanism, or stop by a local locksmith shop and show them the photo or bring the lock assembly if possible and see what they have on hand or that they can use a long straight one and put it in a vice and bend you a custom one. You could also buy some metal at home depot or ace hardware in strips and drill and file a hole so that it sits on the back of the medeco and doesn't free spin around, and then bend it or heat it up and bend it and then cut and file to make a custom cam.

you can also get a Medeco cam lock that is only 3 or 4 pin instead of 5 or 6 and that will make the body shorter.
skip the M3 models and get a normal Biaxial if still available, ebay is a good source for this stuff.

example:


ebay example with bigger shroud:
www.ebay.com/itm/271990181505

good luck,
Squelchtone

[billdeserthills]

Actually one interesting thing about the smaller medeco cam locks is only the cylinder shroud changes size & it becomes longer on the outside of the
door. I know I would trade your longer shroud for a smaller one& a few bux, out of my medeco spare parts, if you came to my shop & I'm sure that another
locksmith would do the same thing. Have you seen the 5/8 or 3/4 cam lock?

[DangerDane]

At the moment I am in contact with the company I got the lock from and the plan at present is that they will try to send me another shroud that should be deeper so that the lock doesn't protrude so far inside so that a "normal" bent cam might actually fit it. It certainly wont be pretty but it will most likely work.

But ideally I had hoped I would have gotten something akin to the Abloy in size but with a removeable key when unlocked and better security then the standard supplied cam lock.

[quote=billdeserthills]Actually one interesting thing about the smaller medeco cam locks is only the cylinder shroud changes size & it becomes longer on the outside of the
door. I know I would trade your longer shroud for a smaller one& a few bux, out of my medeco spare parts, if you came to my shop & I'm sure that another
locksmith would do the same thing. Have you seen the 5/8 or 3/4 cam lock?[/quote]

Well I don't think any of my local lock shops sells Medeco. Its more Kaba, Ruko & Abloy. But what do you mean by if I have seen the 5/8th and 3/4 cam locks?. I know the Medeco is 44mms long and the Abloy is 33mm

[billdeserthills]

I think the all-in-one kit medeco camlocks use the same size cylinder through 1 1/8". You can get a 5/8" kit that has the same length cylinder, only difference is the shroud holds most of the cylinder length outside the latch. I actually have one on my toolbox, on my truck.

[Squelchtone]

I think the all-in-one kit medeco camlocks use the same size cylinder through 1 1/8". You can get a 5/8" kit that has the same length cylinder, only difference is the shroud holds most of the cylinder length outside the latch. I actually have one on my toolbox, on my truck.

bill, I hate to say it but I do not think you are correct with this longer shroud business and all the cylinders having the same base length.. look at the photo I posted, it clearly shows a shorter and longer body cylinder.

here is the body length selector tool on Medeco's website: http://www.medeco.com/en/site/medeco/pr ... kselector/

DangerDane: this catalog will help you select the exact part number you need, based on 90 degree clockwise or anti clockwise rotation, 1 flat or 2 flats in the hole prep, 1 key pull or 2 key pull function, etc:
http://www.medeco.com/Other/Medeco/Down ... atalog.pdf

Squelchtone

[DangerDane]

So I figure I have to go with a lock that's 33mm or less in length

[DangerDane]

The company that I bought the lock from sent some bits and bobs and I might actually get it to work one way or the other as it is since I am already some ways into the hole with this lock as it is since its a system lock and key. But the cam is set up for 45 degrees and not 90. But at least I know that I am few spacers and a new endpiece away from getting this to work

[billdeserthills]

I think the all-in-one kit medeco camlocks use the same size cylinder through 1 1/8". You can get a 5/8" kit that has the same length cylinder, only difference is the shroud holds most of the cylinder length outside the latch. I actually have one on my toolbox, on my truck.

bill, I hate to say it but I do not think you are correct with this longer shroud business and all the cylinders having the same base length.. look at the photo I posted, it clearly shows a shorter and longer body cylinder.

here is the body length selector tool on Medeco's website: http://www.medeco.com/en/site/medeco/pr ... kselector/

DangerDane: this catalog will help you select the exact part number you need, based on 90 degree clockwise or anti clockwise rotation, 1 flat or 2 flats in the hole prep, 1 key pull or 2 key pull function, etc:
http://www.medeco.com/Other/Medeco/Down ... atalog.pdf

Squelchtone

It may be that medeco has changed the way their cam locks are manufactured, most of my medeco cam locks are
20+ years old, because nobody but me ever seems to want a pick-proof $85 cam lock

I checked out your link & medeco doesn't make their cam locks like they did when I bought all of mine
I still think my old-style longer shroud will work with your cylinder

[DangerDane]

I checked out your link & medeco doesn't make their cam locks like they did when I bought all of mine
I still think my old-style longer shroud will work with your cylinder

Problem is that the chosen latch lock doesn't have a lot of room around the hole for the lock. The clearance from the edge of the hole to where the metal curves up at the edge is 3-4mm at best and the small shroud I got with the lock, just barely fit, albeit crooked :/. So I am stuck with trying to file off some of the shroud for a snug fit, as well as install 1-2 spacers (depending on their thickness) after the shroud, at which point it fits length wise, provided I get a cam thats oriented the right way because the version I have gotten right now doesn't work at all (I have pictures in case you want to see).

[DangerDane]

And I am not restricted to sticking with the Medeco that I have ordered. If I find something that works better or is better suited while ticking the boxes in regards to security and that the key is removable then I am just as chuffed with that .

[globallockytoo]

Sounds to me like all you need is a slam cam.

There are multiple manufacturers.

here is one... http://compx.com/products-slamcam.html

Bilock make one that might be overkill in price but it is great quality... http://www.australianlock.com.au/produc ... tlist?r=14


Unless of course you want to lock it open

[globallockytoo]

on second thought....I may be way off base. (just saw your additional pics)

But.....there are some manufacturers (like Bilock) who make HS cylinders that will allow key removal in multiple positions.

It is somewhat easier to do (modify) with side-bar locks (that dont have a traditional bible and top pins), like Bilock and Abloy

[DangerDane]

Sounds to me like all you need is a slam cam.

There are multiple manufacturers.

here is one... http://compx.com/products-slamcam.html

Bilock make one that might be overkill in price but it is great quality... http://www.australianlock.com.au/produc ... tlist?r=14


Unless of course you want to lock it open

Won't the slam cam relock the second I close the "door"?. Which isn't really what I was hoping for. I need the lock to work as in that it has 2 throws so that I can remove the key when its unlocked, and still be able to open it by pulling the handle, as opposed to having to unlock it every time.

But.....there are some manufacturers (like Bilock) who make HS cylinders that will allow key removal in multiple positions.

Got any examples or links?

[DangerDane]

I went with a Medeco, I am just somewhat annoyed by the visual aspects on the lock itself as its sitting at a 135 degree angle when unlocked and 215 when unlocked. When what I would have preferred is that it was 180 when locked and then 90 or 270 when it was unlocked. But apparently that isn't possible when you want to be able to remove the key.