Lock Picking 101 Forum
A community dedicated to the fun and ethical hobby of lock picking.
       

Lock Picking 101 Home
Login
Profile
Members
Forum Rules
Frequent Forum Questions
SEARCH
View New Posts
View Active Topics


Live Chat on Discord
LP101 Forum Chat
Keypicking Forum Chat
Reddit r/lockpicking Chat



Learn How to Pick Locks
FAQs & General Questions
Got Beginner Questions?
Pick-Fu [Intermediate Level]


Ask a Locksmith
This Old Lock
This Old Safe
What Lock Should I Buy?



Hardware
Locks
Lock Patents
Lock Picks
Lock Bumping
Lock Impressioning
Lock Pick Guns, Snappers
European Locks & Picks
The Machine Shop
The Open Source Lock
Handcuffs


Member Spotlight
Member Introductions
Member Lock Collections
Member Social Media


Off Topic
General Chatter
Other Puzzles


Locksmith Business Info
Training & Licensing
Running a Business
Keyways & Key Blanks
Key Machines
Master Keyed Systems
Closers and Crash Bars
Life Safety Compliance
Electronic Locks & Access
Locksmith Supplies
Locksmith Lounge


Buy Sell Trade
Buy - Sell - Trade
It came from Ebay!


Advanced Topics
Membership Information
Special Access Required:
High Security Locks
Vending Locks
Advanced Lock Pick Tools
Bypass Techniques
Safes & Safe Locks
Automotive Entry & Tools
Advanced Buy/Sell/Trade


Locksport Groups
Locksport Local
Chapter President's Office
Locksport Board Room
 

Sealed key package (Chinese)

Information about locks themselves. Questions, tips and lock diagram information should be posted here.

Sealed key package (Chinese)

Postby mh » 24 Jan 2016 1:14

Hi,

Does someone understand the Chinese instructions (1-6) in this ad for a Yue Ma lock?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Yue-Ma-b ... 04472.html

What exactly do they suggest to do with the sticker on the heat shrink tubing around the keys?

Thanks
mh
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
Image
mh
Moderator
 
Posts: 2437
Joined: 3 Mar 2006 4:32
Location: Germany

Re: Sealed key package (Chinese)

Postby Squelchtone » 24 Jan 2016 12:41

that's very interesting mh. I don't know Chinese, but it seems like you rub the blue pen on the security seal of the shrink wrapped keys and it reveals some writing that you maybe match up the sticker on the cylinder and it shows you that those are the keys to your lock and if the package is opened in transit nobody can figure out the bitting because the keys are heat shrinked? But then I don't understand the 2 brass keys? are they set up keys? are they construction keys and then you insert the 6 silver keys and they drop out a ball/dimple and it locks out the brass keys? I like the hole in the keys to stop foil impressioning attacks, wonder how well that works.

Hope you don't mind, but I just posted the photos from that site on Imgur, let's see if someone there knows Chinese, since I don't think we have many people here other than many Lockman28 who can read Chinese.

http://imgur.com/gallery/zyBrU/new
Image
User avatar
Squelchtone
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11307
Joined: 11 May 2006 0:41
Location: right behind you.

Re: Sealed key package (Chinese)

Postby Squelchtone » 24 Jan 2016 13:15

So I started poking around on aliexpress and check out the 2nd photo in this lock, the keys come sealed in a pop lid can just like tennis balls. The Engrish in the description is very funny to read as well.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CEI-sixt ... 9.9.kvhK1N
Image
User avatar
Squelchtone
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11307
Joined: 11 May 2006 0:41
Location: right behind you.

Re: Sealed key package (Chinese)

Postby mh » 24 Jan 2016 13:28

Squelchtone wrote:So I started poking around on aliexpress and check out the 2nd photo in this lock, the keys come sealed in a pop lid can just like tennis balls. The Engrish in the description is very funny to read as well.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CEI-sixt ... 9.9.kvhK1N


Yes :) These days, there are a number of interesting Chinese locks on the market...
That one, the CEI, was covered by Barry some time ago: http://locktechinc.com/news/?p=818

Cheers
mh
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
Image
mh
Moderator
 
Posts: 2437
Joined: 3 Mar 2006 4:32
Location: Germany

Re: Sealed key package (Chinese)

Postby Squelchtone » 24 Jan 2016 16:26



mh
Someone just replied to the post with a translation, check it out.
Image
User avatar
Squelchtone
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11307
Joined: 11 May 2006 0:41
Location: right behind you.

Re: Sealed key package (Chinese)

Postby Lunna200 » 24 Jan 2016 20:53

That´s an interesting setup for sure.
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
- Abraham Lincoln
Lunna200
BANNED!
 
Posts: 33
Joined: 6 Jun 2015 16:42
Location: Banned

Re: Sealed key package (Chinese)

Postby mh » 24 Jan 2016 22:56

Ok - so it's a special sticker to show that the 2nd set of keys was sealed at the factory, and since the Chinese know that stickers can be imitated, this one is harder to imitate because it has two layers with different contents and ink goes through the top layer somehow. I guess the effect is destroyed once the sticker is peeled off the surface.

About (a slightly different version of) the lock itself (just one set of keys, no hole in the key): http://locktechinc.com/news/?p=670 - also by Barry.

Cheers
mh
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
Image
mh
Moderator
 
Posts: 2437
Joined: 3 Mar 2006 4:32
Location: Germany

Re: Sealed key package (Chinese)

Postby kwoswalt99- » 27 Jan 2016 22:00

Those are very cool locks, and I've never seen the CEI before, but why are they so expensive? Might as well get an MCS instead for that money.
kwoswalt99-
 
Posts: 1218
Joined: 17 Mar 2015 15:35
Location: Somewhere.

Re: Sealed key package (Chinese)

Postby mh » 27 Jan 2016 23:26

I think the prices for these locks on aliexpress are not what a Chinese customer would pay. E.g. I got my Yue Ma "free spinning" cylinder for a much better price from Lockman28.
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
Image
mh
Moderator
 
Posts: 2437
Joined: 3 Mar 2006 4:32
Location: Germany

Re: Sealed key package (Chinese)

Postby femurat » 28 Jan 2016 3:29

If you are willing to deal with a Chinese website, I found http://24h.pchome.com.tw has lower prices than some famous sites written in english like ali... or bang..., and much lower than "lockman".

Cheers :)
User avatar
femurat
Site Admin
 
Posts: 3745
Joined: 22 Sep 2008 9:06
Location: Italy

Re: Sealed key package (Chinese)

Postby mh » 28 Jan 2016 4:09

Which tools do you use to read this site (and to write search strings), and what's you experience with shipping to Europe?

Cheers
mh
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
Image
mh
Moderator
 
Posts: 2437
Joined: 3 Mar 2006 4:32
Location: Germany

Re: Sealed key package (Chinese)

Postby femurat » 28 Jan 2016 4:24

Well, I haven't bought from that site, I just found it mentioned as a good lock source on another lockpicking website while looking for a padlock. Then I clicked the related products and found many others. For example here is one http://24h.pchome.com.tw/prod/DEAV0J-A81124707
To read the Chinese I copy and paste the paragraphs I need in translate.google.com

Cheers :)
User avatar
femurat
Site Admin
 
Posts: 3745
Joined: 22 Sep 2008 9:06
Location: Italy


Return to Locks

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 13 guests