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Question on Cam Locks

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Question on Cam Locks

Postby YouLuckyFox » 4 Jun 2016 18:12

I need some help with a problem involving cam locks. A shop owner wants the key to his Lyon Modular Door Cabinet to be fitted to a lock that we will install on his craftsman tool box. The issue I am running into is that the cam on the Lyon locks all seem to be intended to actuate with a locking rod. The craftsman tool box has a standard locking mechanism like shown here: https://craftsman-brand-production.s3.amazonaws.com/spree/images/61578/large/spin_prod_1080075712.?1463321673 This would mean that I will need to modify a Lyons lock in order for it to have a cam that will engage with the Craftsman toolbox latch. This seems do-able, but I feel it would be ideal to find a way of purchasing parts that will do the job without needing to be modified. The information I have is listed below, please let me know what you feel would be the best solution to this shop owners problem!

I also have a key machine for making and duplicating keys, but what would need to be done to ensure that the replacement lock will fit the current key? Is there a universal disc tumbler repinning kit or will I need to make my own wafers (also seems doable.)

You guys have been a great resource up to this point and I wouldn't know what I know about locksmithign without you, thank you for your time in reviewing my query.


Catalog for ordering a new Lyon cabinet lock: http://www.lyonworkspace.com/catalog/LYON_MDC_pg_63.pdf
Code on the face of Lyon Cabinet lock: M922
Code on the face of Craftsman Toolbox Lock: 3030

Background: I have taken several locksmith jobs so far and have received locksmithing certification from Foley-Belsaw. I am also a Welding Engineering student and have access to standard machining and fabrication equipment.

P.S. I cant find a picture of the Lyon lock or the locking hardware on the MDC, but I can take pictures if needed.
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Re: Question on Cam Locks

Postby cledry » 4 Jun 2016 22:50

Will the key from one slide into the other?

If not how much is he willing to pay and is his business worth the bother?
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Re: Question on Cam Locks

Postby YouLuckyFox » 7 Jun 2016 19:07

Problem solved. Thank you to Cledry for helping me to resolve the matter via PM.

Solution ended up being to just file the toolbox lock keyway and fit the Lyon key to both locks (rearranging wafers where required.) My customer was impressed; however I am not entirely satisfied with how I rekeyed the craftsman toolbox lock. On the crafstman lock, two prongs on the back has been peened to press against two slots in the cam. To remove them I ground the peened material out and removed the cam. After rekeying the lock I could resolve to do nothing other than solder or glue the cam back on. I arrived at soldering as the solution. I used the grinder trick to identify the prong material as zinc; which means brazing was not an option. Was there a better way to remove the cam in the first place?

Thank you for your time and have a great day!
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Re: Question on Cam Locks

Postby billdeserthills » 7 Jun 2016 20:10

I think the way you removed the cam was fine,
one other thing you can do is called 'staking' the cam back onto the prongs
Staking is when you take a center punch, or automatic center punch and peen around the prongs
this basically causes the prongs to expand, and this expansion will grow around the cam, by a small amount

This procedure is commonly done on all GM sidebar locks from 1935 to present and it holds the spring retainer in place.
Depending upon your technique, the spring retainer may stay on for a day or many years, but they all come loose, because
everytime a key is inserted the spring retainer tries to push out & eventually it will
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