Lock Picking 101 Forum
A community dedicated to the fun and ethical hobby of lock picking.
       

Lock Picking 101 Home
Login
Profile
Members
Forum Rules
Frequent Forum Questions
SEARCH
View New Posts
View Active Topics


Live Chat on Discord
LP101 Forum Chat
Keypicking Forum Chat
Reddit r/lockpicking Chat



Learn How to Pick Locks
FAQs & General Questions
Got Beginner Questions?
Pick-Fu [Intermediate Level]


Ask a Locksmith
This Old Lock
This Old Safe
What Lock Should I Buy?



Hardware
Locks
Lock Patents
Lock Picks
Lock Bumping
Lock Impressioning
Lock Pick Guns, Snappers
European Locks & Picks
The Machine Shop
The Open Source Lock
Handcuffs


Member Spotlight
Member Introductions
Member Lock Collections
Member Social Media


Off Topic
General Chatter
Other Puzzles


Locksmith Business Info
Training & Licensing
Running a Business
Keyways & Key Blanks
Key Machines
Master Keyed Systems
Closers and Crash Bars
Life Safety Compliance
Electronic Locks & Access
Locksmith Supplies
Locksmith Lounge


Buy Sell Trade
Buy - Sell - Trade
It came from Ebay!


Advanced Topics
Membership Information
Special Access Required:
High Security Locks
Vending Locks
Advanced Lock Pick Tools
Bypass Techniques
Safes & Safe Locks
Automotive Entry & Tools
Advanced Buy/Sell/Trade


Locksport Groups
Locksport Local
Chapter President's Office
Locksport Board Room
 

Multi shear line cylinder modification

TOSL Project. A community project to "build a better mousetrap".

Re: Multi shear line cylinder modification

Postby FarmerFreak » 14 Apr 2011 7:46

Evan, I know you didn't ask. But this is for you.

I re-pinned that last lock so that it is now master keyed to two keys. The key cuts are 416305 and 234983. I did this last week, and so far everything is working like normal. I didn't stack the T pins over the 8 and 9 depths, but I still used one T pin in each of those chambers to prevent overlifting attacks.

Image

Image

I admit that I haven't tried to pick it yet. Now that it's masterkeyed I imagine that a rake pick would definitely be the way to go. Not really my style, but, well... *sigh*
FarmerFreak
 
Posts: 737
Joined: 21 Apr 2009 11:58
Location: SLC, Utah

Re: Multi shear line cylinder modification

Postby Evan » 14 Apr 2011 20:05

@FarmerFreak:

Your latest cutaway looks wild...

Are the larger master pins: the #6 in the 4th chamber and the #8 in the 5th chamber, spooled or normal ?

BTW: I like your proposed design for the security pins you showed earlier in this thread... Your original posts in this thread were made over a year ago just before I registered here so I missed them... They are worthy of a Kudos though...

The larger sizes of top pins could have more of the false grooves milled into them like the largest bottom pins have... That would be an improvement in a great idea...

~~ Evan
Evan
 
Posts: 1489
Joined: 5 Apr 2010 17:09
Location: Rhode Island

Re: Multi shear line cylinder modification

Postby FarmerFreak » 14 Apr 2011 23:57

Evan wrote:Are the larger master pins: the #6 in the 4th chamber and the #8 in the 5th chamber, spooled or normal ?
No, I wanted to spool them. But couldn't easily/reasonably do it. And I didn't have any already that way in any of the kits.

Evan wrote:The larger sizes of top pins could have more of the false grooves milled into them like the largest bottom pins have... That would be an improvement in a great idea...
Maybe, but I'm not sure it matters with the T pins... Or maybe I'm miss-understanding your suggestion.
FarmerFreak
 
Posts: 737
Joined: 21 Apr 2009 11:58
Location: SLC, Utah

Re: Multi shear line cylinder modification

Postby Br0keN » 8 Sep 2016 22:05

How did you make those locks? I would imagine that you would need to make the movable shear line part out of a separate piece of brass or steel.
Br0keN
 
Posts: 38
Joined: 23 Feb 2016 1:35

Re: Multi shear line cylinder modification

Postby FarmerFreak » 11 Sep 2016 0:34

Br0keN wrote:How did you make those locks? I would imagine that you would need to make the movable shear line part out of a separate piece of brass or steel.

First you need two cylinders just to make one.
Image

Image

To mill away the top part of the cylinder to support the sliding piece. I use a separate housing that has been cut apart. This allows me to clamp it in the key machines jaws and mill it away. I tend to eyeball things, so I don't have any exact measurements. I just set the cutter at a depth that seems right, lock it in place. Then lock in the X (or is it Y) axis? And cut forwards and backwards. Then readjust the x axis and cut forwards and backwards etc...
Image

Image

A little deburring and cleaning and this is what's left!
Image

I use a Craftsman Multi-tool to save a lot of time on cutting out the slider piece out of the other cylinder.
Image

Clamp the cylinder in a vice jaw like so.
Image

Cut a groove in it.
Image

Turn the cylinder around and cut another groove.
Image

Put the cylinder in the vice like so and cut a groove before and after all the chambers. Then start cutting the top off.
Image

Image

Once you have the piece cut off. It shouldn't fit into the milled out cavity yet. If anything you want it over sized so it can be filed down to perfection (or something close).
Image

After filing down the corners and sides a little bit it should fit a little better. But should still be too tall.
Image

Then next trick is to file down the entire thickness of the slider to the correct thickness. I've learned the easiest way to do that is if it is held in place while filing. So I take to pins that I'm not going to use, press them into the slider. The slider isn't deburred at this point so if you can get them in they will stay long enough for you to clamp them in the vice.
Image

Make sure you can pull it off the pins at anytime so you can check how close to perfection it is at any time.
Image

Image

Once it's perfect, the slider should be able to move around (left/right) with ease while inside the housing.
Image
FarmerFreak
 
Posts: 737
Joined: 21 Apr 2009 11:58
Location: SLC, Utah

Re: Multi shear line cylinder modification

Postby GWiens2001 » 11 Sep 2016 7:57

Awesome post for teaching us some of your amazing work. Just noticed a glaring error, though. Realized that this has not been made a sticky yet. This thread is now a "Sticky". Please excuse our oversight on that. :D

Thank you, FF.

Gordon
Just when you finally think you have learned it all, that is when you learn that you don't know anything yet.
User avatar
GWiens2001
Site Admin
 
Posts: 7550
Joined: 3 Sep 2012 16:24
Location: Arizona, United States

Re: Multi shear line cylinder modification

Postby Br0keN » 13 Sep 2016 14:13

Thanks for the tutorial I dont have a mill but i think ill destroy some inexpensive locks with a dremel tool. Ill post pics if/when i get it done.
Br0keN
 
Posts: 38
Joined: 23 Feb 2016 1:35

Previous

Return to The Open Source Lock

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

cron