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Abus Everest keyway core doesn't have an Everest check pin

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Abus Everest keyway core doesn't have an Everest check pin

Postby OrMeanGene » 31 Dec 2016 21:26

I just bought an Abus 83/45 with the 323 core (everest). They dont explain that the locks do NOT have the slider or even a place to put a slider. Thats pretty shifty. Comes with the everest key, has slider cut. Anyone else make this mistake? Dont even know how to handle this, if i can even handle.

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Re: Abus is deceptive as hell

Postby Squelchtone » 31 Dec 2016 21:51

OrMeanGene wrote:I just bought an Abus 83/45 with the 323 core (everest). They dont explain that the locks do NOT have the slider or even a place to put a slider. Thats pretty shifty. Comes with the everest key, has slider cut. Anyone else make this mistake? Dont even know how to handle this, if i can even handle.


To put a what where? A slider?

You mean the Everest check pin?
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Re: Abus is deceptive as hell

Postby OrMeanGene » 31 Dec 2016 21:59

Squelchtone wrote:
OrMeanGene wrote:I just bought an Abus 83/45 with the 323 core (everest). They dont explain that the locks do NOT have the slider or even a place to put a slider. Thats pretty shifty. Comes with the everest key, has slider cut. Anyone else make this mistake? Dont even know how to handle this, if i can even handle.


To put a what where? A slider?

You mean the Everest check pin?


Yes. That side pin. Its got 6pin cyl, but not the side. I thought it was a slider. Looked like slider. Key has the cut for it too. Flase advertising
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Re: Abus is deceptive as hell

Postby blue60 » 31 Dec 2016 22:05

did you contact the seller to ask about it?
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Re: Abus is deceptive as hell

Postby OrMeanGene » 31 Dec 2016 22:08

blue60 wrote:did you contact the seller to ask about it?


Hardware store. I was speaking Spanish... check pin not slider also.
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Re: Abus is deceptive as hell

Postby blue60 » 31 Dec 2016 22:18

if you can snap a pics of everything, its hard to see what you mean without a way to see it ;)
I have not had any problems with anything from ABUS but there is a chance that something got messed up in the factory.
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Re: Abus is deceptive as hell

Postby OrMeanGene » 31 Dec 2016 22:28

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Just has 6 pins, nothing else
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Re: Abus is deceptive as hell

Postby ltdbjd » 1 Jan 2017 0:00

So there is no pin in the back of the keyway?

ABUS is a pretty good company. If you received a bad part, they will replace it. Calling them deceptive as hell and throwing out claims of false advertising seem a bit inflammatory if you haven't given them the opportunity to fix the problem.
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Re: Abus is deceptive as hell

Postby OrMeanGene » 1 Jan 2017 0:21

ltdbjd wrote:So there is no pin in the back of the keyway?

ABUS is a pretty good company. If you received a bad part, they will replace it. Calling them deceptive as hell and throwing out claims of false advertising seem a bit inflammatory if you haven't given them the opportunity to fix the problem.


There is no place for the pin anywhere on the cylinder. Manufactured that way. You own a 83/45 with 323 cylinder that has a pin?
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Re: Abus is deceptive as hell

Postby cledry » 1 Jan 2017 3:16

It isn't defective. This is so that you can key into a system with the Everest keyway. They make a C123 and a C145 as well as one that is a composite. If you want a real Everest cylinder you can buy the Abus that accepts a kik cylinder.
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Re: Abus is deceptive as hell

Postby femurat » 1 Jan 2017 6:43

Thanks cledry for the clarification.

OrMeanGene, how about a different tittle for the topic? This one looks written by a disappointed and angry customer, and now you should only be disappointed.

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Re: Abus is deceptive as hell

Postby tjohn » 1 Jan 2017 11:11

No they've never had the slider, probably aren't allowed to mfg it due to schlage patents. I will also note the new GMS brand cylinders for Everest do not either. As mentioned you will need to buy the less cylinder version and add a OEM schlage Everest if you want the slider pin
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Re: Abus is semi deceptive as hell

Postby OrMeanGene » 1 Jan 2017 12:50

Ya thats pretty crappy that they dont tell you this. You cant even add the pin yourself, since theres no spot for it. Still disappointed. Thanks cledry for that. Im sure i have an abus somewhere that accepts kik lol(for cledry).

And saying that their deceptive isnt a knock that all abus is crap and angry. Im not writing from place of anger. I love abus locks, have a bunch, and will continue to own.
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Re: Abus is deceptive as hell

Postby femurat » 1 Jan 2017 13:13

Semi deceptive as hell.
You made me laugh.

Just to avoid misunderstanding, I would have thought too that a padlock with an everest key came with an everest lock. In this case it's just a padlock compatible with an everest system. So I would be disappointed too.

The reason I suggested you to change the thread title is simple. You assumed one thing and they meant another one. I don't believe they tried to scam you. So deceptive as hell seemed a bit angry to me.
Just a friendly suggestion, not a moderator request.

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Re: Abus is deceptive as hell

Postby mh » 1 Jan 2017 13:20

Are you sure the key was supplied by ABUS? Not by the seller?
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