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Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

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Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby VAN HELSING » 12 Nov 2017 3:34

Hi all,

Hope someone here can help me?

Just joined up here, introduction in new member section.

I bought a safe about two years ago from the administrators of a local closed down business. Its a Chubb Australia safe. Whether its made in Australia ?.....I don't know?

I'll try and upload a photo for it when I can get my techno savvy son to do it...I've got no idea how to ?

In the meantime I'll try and describe it.

Its a combination only safe, no key built into it.

It measures 37.5 inches tall, 27.5 inches wide and 28.5 inches deep externally . Door is 21.5 inches wide x 31.5 inches high.

Handle on left about 2.25 inch in from left door edge and approx midway down.

Dial is on right side of door 8.5 inches down from top of door edge and 9.5 inches in from right door edge.

Written on the dial center is CHUBB and an arrow above pointing to the right. It is gradiented from 0 to 100.

If I place the number 50 on the dial at the mark ( mark is at 12 oclock position like they all seem to be ) then the 0 is at the 7 oclock position and the 100 is at the 5 oclock position. There is a gap between the 0 and 100 from 5 oclock position ( 100 ) to the 7 oclock position ( 0) .

There is a changing mark at the 9.15 oclock position.

There is a tri spoke handle directly below the dial centre and the distance from the dial centre to the tri spoke centre is 7.5 inches.

It has a CHUBB Australia oval shaped stainless steel badge approx 7 inch wide by approx 4 inch high attached to the door just above the dial.

There seems to be a decorative missing ring from around the tri spoke handle which to me would only have been a decoritive measure.

Stamped into the door underneath where this ring would attach to the door is stamped the numbers 2870 but because the last two numbers are only half stamped this could be 2830 , or 2878, or 2838 or 2879 or 2839?

At the top of the safe body, above the door, facing front I can just make out the letters ( under the paint ) AP4.

None of the screws holding anything on to the door are in phillips head screws, they are all single slot screws.

If I was to guess the era of the safe , I would say 1960's/1970's ? going by its look, the design and type of lettering on the badge and the design of handle and tri spoke opening handle.

If its any help, its seems to be only ever painted in one color ever, that being Battleship Grey.

I can't really find any other identifying things.

I'll go into the story later on how I extricated the safe out of the 120 year old vault it was in and tearing my Supraspinatus tendon off my shoulder bone whilst doing so a little later on :lol:

Anyway,

I was given the combination to the safe. I didn't personally try it then and there as it was the very last day I had to get it out before the administrator closed the store for good. As it was, I only got it out of the building an hour before final lock up, so never got a chance to try it.

It contains nothing but air, I know this because I was the last one to close it.....empty.

I should have tried the combination sometime very soon after getting it home but left the combination at home to try on another day.

Well, "another day " happened to go on for two years up until 3 days ago when I decided it was time to try it.

Lets just say that after about 3 hours in total trying, looking up how to dial a safe combination, looking at a myriad of how to's on you tube and trying to google on images to try and find and identify my safe I've come up with nothing and have comeb to here asking for help.

I will try and upload a photo of it later, a picture describes the 1000 words I've written above but for now the above description is all I have. Maybe if I cant get a pic to upload maybe I can send an email
to someone who can ?

In the meantime, in order for someone to help me, is it wise to list the exact combination I was given with the safe up here or change it to a different set of numbers but use the same dial sequence and directions ?

I live in rural Australia and the nearest locksmiths advertising the ability to open safes are at least 2.5 hours travelling distance from me so you can see why I want to try and get this safe open myself if I can. If would cost an arm and leg if I hired a locksmith living 2.5 hours away and at this point I'm not in a financial position to pour wads of money at this safe.

I bought this safe for a particular reason, this " particular reason " will be starting to happen in about six months time, so I do have six months in which to try and get this safe working.

At the moment it's defeated me but I'm not willing to admit final defeat just yet without putting up some sort of fight.

Apologies for the lengthy post but to get all the info out, it needed to be lengthy.

Can anyone help please?

Cheers from down under in Australia.
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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby femurat » 12 Nov 2017 10:36

Hello and welcome to the forum.
I appreciate the effort you put in describing your safe. But we still need a few pictures to identify your safe. Make sure to turn the GPS off when you take them.
About the combination, if you want to change it, I see no harm in posting it here. You may want to round up the numbers if you're not sure you'll change it. So if your first number is 73 you may tell us it's 75. Dialling procedure is quite similar if you change numbers a little.

We're waiting for a few pictures of your safe and for the combo that was given to you.

Cheers :)
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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby VAN HELSING » 12 Nov 2017 12:01

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Hi Femurat,

Thanks for the reply.

I'm at work at the moment ,though I have taken pics ready for my son to try and upload to either this post here later on tomorrow ( if I can ) or to someones email ( if they can send me their email via a private message ? )

In the meantime,

The combination I was given I will list below, I will change the numbers for security reasons .

So, with exception of numbers being changed for security, I'll type them exactly as they were written down for me by previous owner, just in case it makes a difference, this is a CHUBB safe. My assumptions to the combo code are in ( brackets )

" Start Middle" ......( I assume this to mean at 50 ? )

" Right x 5 .... 8 " ( I assume this means turn from 50 clockwise and past number 8 by five times and stopping at 8 on the fifth ? )

" Left x 4 ..... 17 " ( I assume this means then turn anti-clockwise from 8 and go past the number 17 by four times stopping at 17 on the fourth ? )

" Right x 3 .....34 " ( I assume this means then turn clockwise again from 17 and go past the number 34 by three times stopping at 34 on the third ? )

" Left x 2 ......39 " ( I assume this means then turn anti-clockwise again from 34 and go past the number 39 by twice and stopping at 39 on the second ? )

" Right back to centre " ( I assume this means then turn anti-clockwise again from 39 and go to the number 50 again ? )

......................

Nothing else is written regarding combination other than what is typed above in inverted commas........

The dial is VERY easy to turn, very slightly loose perhaps but I can faintly feel something clicking inside as I turn and faintly hear some clicking within the dial so assuming that's the wheels contacting the pins ?

I've tried a few different things based on the combo but nothing seems to make it feel any different.

So, I guess by the combo I have a 4 wheel Chubb ?

I know that pictures will help a lot but thought I'd post up the sequence of numbers ( changed for security ) and directions just as a starter for when I do get the pics uploaded.

Forgot to mention , not that it has much bearing on my problem though .....

The safe weighs approx 750 kg ( about 1650 US pounds ) as the forklift that was used to lift it at one stage of the retrieval had weigh scales on it, I asked the driver the weight and 750 kg was his reply.

I knew it was over 500 kg because the foldable/portable engine lifting crane I used to lift it at one stage inside the vault was rated at 500 kg. I've lifted some V8 engines and transmissions on this crane many times in the past and they together weigh around the 500 kg area and with this safe on the crane it was extremely hard to pump the hydraulics compared to pumping with a 500 kg load .

At one stage I was nearly going to give up due to the difficulty pumping the crane ram but slowly persisted and got there in the end after many hours.

Hopefully pics of the safe to follow on here in the next day or so ?

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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby Squelchtone » 12 Nov 2017 14:09

Your dialing assumption is adding 1 extra turn for each number. Which is probably why you cant open the safe.

And why would you start at 50? Those are poorly written instructions and a common wives tale that one must start at a certain number. It doesnt matter where you start. You could start at 17 or 0 or 95, as long as you dial the 1st number of the combination and go past it FOUR times and stop exactly on it the FIFTH time around.
Then change direction, dial

R5: dial Clockwise past 8 four times, stop on 8 fifth time around.

L4: dial Anti-clockwise past 17 three times, stop on 17 fourth time around.

R3: dial Clockwise past 34 two times, stop on 34 third time around.

L2 dial Anti-clockwise past 39 one time, stop on 39 the second time around.

R1: dial Clockwise *slowly* until the dial stops and you feel the lock's bolt retract.

Then try to turn the handle left or right to see if you can retract the door's boltwork.

Hope this helps, instructions to post pics are located in a blue link right above the white window where you type your reply. Cant wait to see some pics!

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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby VAN HELSING » 13 Nov 2017 1:18

.........

Thanks Squelchtone for the reply, I'll go and take your instructions and try and see if I can do it.

Please bear with me, I'm very much an amateur at this, I've never had a combo safe before and never used one, all the ones I've ever dealt with are keyed safes only.

At this point in time I'm still waiting for my screenager techno savvy son to come home and show me how to upload to that imgur thingy so I can try and post pics otyerwise the only way I would know how to do it would be to email the pics to someone on here?

Be back soon......

Cheers...
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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby VAN HELSING » 13 Nov 2017 2:04

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Ok, still no luck , tried it about a dozen times , still not open.

However, I can feel and hear a faint series of two clicking sounds whilst freely turning anti-clockwise around the second number 17 and the last number 39 . This seems to occur within a number or two each side of 17 and 30 and both within the same revolution.

Would this be either the drive cam just touching the lever on one of the numbers and the fence just touching one of the wheel notches?

Or am I thinking wrong ?

Hopefully pics soon when my son comes home from work and if he can work out how to post them?
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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby VAN HELSING » 13 Nov 2017 4:59

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Ok,

Trying to do pics, this hasn't been easy.....stand by....




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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby VAN HELSING » 13 Nov 2017 5:04

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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby VAN HELSING » 13 Nov 2017 5:07

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Don't know what happened here, must have missed something?

Scroll down.......
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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby VAN HELSING » 13 Nov 2017 5:17

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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby VAN HELSING » 13 Nov 2017 5:23

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Ok,

Can someone tell me if these images of my safe worked please?

They are showing on my computer but that might only be because I'm still logged in to that Imgur website thingy ?

Don't know if they'll disappear as soon as I log out of the Imgur thingo or not ?

???????????

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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby GWiens2001 » 13 Nov 2017 7:36

The pictures work. :)

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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby VAN HELSING » 13 Nov 2017 9:03

.......

OK, thanks Gordon, I didn't find it easy to get the pics up on here but got there in the end...

Here's hoping now that pictures are up that someone can identify the Chubb Australia safe model number and possible dates of manufacture and more importantly for me, help me get it open and useable once again?

Over to you experts now.....

Cheers.

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Re: Chubb Australia Safe Have Combination Can't Unlock.

Postby Squelchtone » 13 Nov 2017 9:08

VAN HELSING wrote:.......

OK, thanks Gordon, I didn't find it easy to get the pics up on here but got there in the end...

Here's hoping now that pictures are up that someone can identify the Chubb Australia safe model number and possible dates of manufacture and more importantly for me, help me get it open and useable once again?

Over to you experts now.....

Cheers.

.......


Neither the model number or the dates of manufacture will help you or us get into the safe. We mainly care about the combination dial, the shape of the door, the dimensions of the safe, these things help identify a safe much better than a part nunber from 1940 that you cant look up or call the company about anyway.

Please check your Private Messages on the top left of the forum, I left you a messsge :)
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