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unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby Marduk28 » 1 Jun 2015 12:20

Hey guys,

Here is my demo video if anyone is interested.

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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby Mitchell S » 1 Jun 2015 18:48

Cool vid thanks for that! I usually don't like Chinese made products as historically they have been mostly garbage. But these are cool! They are using clever design features to overcome their still poor manufacturing tolerances.
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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby Parabellum » 12 Feb 2018 13:58

Is there any public video that shows picking this lock?
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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby Squelchtone » 12 Feb 2018 15:30

Parabellum wrote:Is there any public video that shows picking this lock?


czesc stary!

Not a picking video, but if you listen to him explain the split cylinder, you could fabricate a custom tension wrench to reach deep inside the lock to then apply tension.



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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby mh » 12 Feb 2018 23:27

Hmm, I don’t think that this will work - tensioning should just block the reverse-springloaded sidebar in place.
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby Squelchtone » 13 Feb 2018 0:29

mh wrote:Hmm, I don’t think that this will work - tensioning should just block the reverse-springloaded sidebar in place.


Ahh, that sounds like it would stop my plan. I have not handled this lock mechanism in person and only going from the info in the lockman videos.

mh, do you think that reverse springloaded sidebar is there to stop someone who would put a long tension tool deep inside the keyway?

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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby mh » 13 Feb 2018 0:43

Yes, it's there for that purpose, and also to stop someone from just turning the cam with such a tool.
The outer long sidebar needs to move into the plug before the cam can be turned.

But it can't be forced into the plug by rotation (tensioning), only by its springs (it's a "reverse spring-loaded sidebar" type).

I just tried to search for our LockCon presentation online, it seems like Lucas shows some of my drawings in this presentation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWFyH3KaRJc , but maybe not the drawing of the Yuema 360?
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby mh » 13 Feb 2018 0:50

Well, I now uploaded the drawing here:
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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby Parabellum » 15 Jun 2018 18:14

Does anyone know where Yuema Euro profile can be bought in retail?
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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby greengrowlocks » 15 Jun 2018 19:07

Parabellum wrote:Does anyone know where Yuema Euro profile can be bought in retail?


I've been looking for the euro cylinder version as well. I haven't found a retailer from China that will ship internationally yet but I'm still continuing to look for one. I'll let you know if I find any.
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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby mh » 15 Jun 2018 21:55

A lot of “Taobao agents” are in business to help you shop cheap stuff at Taobao, Tmall, and so on,
add a markup and handling fees, and then export it to your country.
I used Yoybuy (easy handling, but they won’t ship locks with built-in batteries like certain bike locks), and another guy for the electronic locks.
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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby dll932 » 18 Jun 2018 14:31

Very clever concept, crudely made. I guess it doesn't matter so long as it works dependably.
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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby Parabellum » 23 Jun 2018 4:03

Would it be a good idea to add false gates for the wafers and modify the action of the sidebar so that when it would be recessed to the false gates it could turn a little angle but it would block itself on a second shallow cut recess of the outer core as can be seen on this crude drawing:
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Re: unpickable Yuema 360 free spinning lock mechanism

Postby mh » 23 Jun 2018 5:03

What would be the goal of your approach?
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