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I have a question about the pin's

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I have a question about the pin's

Postby plugaru » 16 Feb 2005 15:37

if a wafer lock has 6 wafer 123456 how many keys are ??? 654321
For example i have wafer code's i can make a set of jigller's set fom pin dimensions?
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Postby omelet » 16 Feb 2005 17:30

take a look at threads about so-called "computer picks", I beleive they attempt to achieve what you are trying to get at. .. though I remain skeptical

you could try to find some shapes of several picks taht would cover most of the combinations of pin heights for a particular lock, but how you use them adds another variable, plus there are many different pin sizes/ configurations. It all seems kinda fuzzy to me, but give it a try
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Postby plugaru » 17 Feb 2005 14:20

10x for replay I have a problem in fact i want to make a generated pick like a knife but i want to put a ultra sensitive microphone to hear the pins inside like a seif tool This is a good idea???
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Re: I have a question about the pin's

Postby catzmeow » 17 Feb 2005 16:51

plugaru wrote:if a wafer lock has 6 wafer 123456 how many keys are ??? 654321
For example i have wafer code's i can make a set of jigller's set fom pin dimensions?


Looking at everyone else's responses, I think I may be misunderstanding the original question, but I'll offer my answer just in case...

It depends on how many depths are available for the wafers.

If each wafer has 4 possible depths then the formula is 4 to the power of 6 (I don't know how to do superscript).

With that, you should have 4,096 key combinations. No?
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Postby stick » 17 Feb 2005 19:47

A microphone isn't going to help if you're making a computer generated type pick, because if it works, you'll know immediately... the lock will have become unlocked. A microphone would only really help with single pin picking, and even then, probably not that much.
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Postby plugaru » 18 Feb 2005 17:17

i calculated from 6 pin's 123456 it ill be max comb 654321 in this combination enters 163580 dubles and 490741 posible key's
The microphone it whil be good in normal picking hafball.........
I want to try it i tink it will be verry good
I trying to find some ting to read the depths of the pins
a lock redear for wafer
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Postby SFGOON » 18 Feb 2005 20:40

One of the factors that limits the total number of possible keys is called MACS, or maximum adjacent cut specification. Basically, you cant have too much difference between adjacent pins' shear depths. This limits the total number of shapes you can have for a given key. Computer picks expliot this weakness by mimmicking the profile of several keys. You insert the pick and jiggle it while "pulsing" the tension wrench as well. If it doesn't work after a given amount of time you try another one. Microphones won't work with this sort of picking. When an individual pins gives in standard picking, the tension wrench jerks a little, especially with decent spring steel. Learn to feel for it and you won't need extra equipment.
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Postby Hojo » 19 Feb 2005 2:30

Why bother with a jigler based on key cuts, wafers are so easy to pick it would be a waste of time and metal...If I were you Ide scrap the idea and make a Diamond...
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Postby plugaru » 19 Feb 2005 16:43

I have some tools i know how to pick wafer locks but i want to make this
pan whit light scope vibrating head and microphone My opinion is that i want to find if the slyte vibration an micrphone plus light whill worck mor faster
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Postby plugaru » 19 Feb 2005 16:46

If a have the pin deph i nead a program to generate the picks ???
I can find this program if ................?
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Postby skold » 19 Feb 2005 17:01

umm why have we suddenly changed from wafer to pin?

I'm guessing english is not your first language?
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Postby plugaru » 19 Feb 2005 17:37

sorry 4 the english i want to teel wafer not pin
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Postby Hojo » 21 Feb 2005 7:14

Lights...Mic's....Waste of time IMHO....
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Postby plugaru » 21 Feb 2005 15:27

whay hojo??
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