Lock Picking 101 Forum
A community dedicated to the fun and ethical hobby of lock picking.
       

Lock Picking 101 Home
Login
Profile
Members
Forum Rules
Frequent Forum Questions
SEARCH
View New Posts
View Active Topics


Live Chat on Discord
LP101 Forum Chat
Keypicking Forum Chat
Reddit r/lockpicking Chat



Learn How to Pick Locks
FAQs & General Questions
Got Beginner Questions?
Pick-Fu [Intermediate Level]


Ask a Locksmith
This Old Lock
This Old Safe
What Lock Should I Buy?



Hardware
Locks
Lock Patents
Lock Picks
Lock Bumping
Lock Impressioning
Lock Pick Guns, Snappers
European Locks & Picks
The Machine Shop
The Open Source Lock
Handcuffs


Member Spotlight
Member Introductions
Member Lock Collections
Member Social Media


Off Topic
General Chatter
Other Puzzles


Locksmith Business Info
Training & Licensing
Running a Business
Keyways & Key Blanks
Key Machines
Master Keyed Systems
Closers and Crash Bars
Life Safety Compliance
Electronic Locks & Access
Locksmith Supplies
Locksmith Lounge


Buy Sell Trade
Buy - Sell - Trade
It came from Ebay!


Advanced Topics
Membership Information
Special Access Required:
High Security Locks
Vending Locks
Advanced Lock Pick Tools
Bypass Techniques
Safes & Safe Locks
Automotive Entry & Tools
Advanced Buy/Sell/Trade


Locksport Groups
Locksport Local
Chapter President's Office
Locksport Board Room
 

Ripping Technique

Picked all the easy locks and want to step up your game? Further your lock picking techniques, exchange pro tips, videos, lessons, and develop your skills here.

Ripping Technique

Postby Exodus5000 » 6 Mar 2005 14:28

This technique has been discussed in pervious posts, and i've dabbled in it always with little to no success. Recently i've been playing around with it and have experienced great results.

The ripping technique is done by putting a standard amount of tension on your wrench and selecting a small half diamond. I insert the pick all the way into the back of the lock and angle it so the handle is slightly upwards. You then pull the pick out as fast as you can. Each time I put the pick in and pull it out I push a little more on the pins. It's based on the same theory that a pick gun works on.

I've always been a short hook, single pin picking man so I havn't really dabbled much in raking techniques. I have to report that i'm really amazed at how easy it is to pick even high security locks like this. I would have thought a saw tooth rake would be ideal for this job, but as of yet I have not opened a single lock ripping with my saw tooth. My best results come from the short half diamond.

I've opened pretty much every lock I own with this technique including some very difficult Best brand 6 pin cores, cores that I havn't yet been able to open with single pin picking. For locks that have security pins, this technique seems to have a harder time setting those specific pins. However, it will set all the normal pin stacks and then I just go in and finish it off single pin picking.

I decided to work on this technique after seeing Barry's video, and how all the euro's seem to prefer this technique for quick openings. Give it a try, and keep at it if you don't see results right away. It really does work, and work well.
[deadlink]http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6973/exodus5000ac5.jpg
Exodus5000
 
Posts: 952
Joined: 6 Apr 2004 23:57
Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin, USA

Postby JoR » 6 Mar 2005 14:42

Strangely I opened a friends door today in a few seconds with that technique.. He was quite shocked. It wasn't a brand I've heard of before so I assumed it was the low quality lock.. I'll have to try that out on some of my padlocks now.
JoR
 
Posts: 64
Joined: 22 Aug 2004 10:53

Postby digital_blue » 6 Mar 2005 14:44

Hey Exodus, I've just been trying this technique. So far no success, but I've only just begun trying. What I am curious about, though, is why you would have your pick handle tilted upward? Doesn't that cause your pick neck to push the 1st pin upward?

db
Image
digital_blue
Admin Emeritus
 
Posts: 9974
Joined: 6 Jan 2005 15:16
Location: Manitoba

Postby Exodus5000 » 6 Mar 2005 14:49

digital_blue wrote:Hey Exodus, I've just been trying this technique. So far no success, but I've only just begun trying. What I am curious about, though, is why you would have your pick handle tilted upward? Doesn't that cause your pick neck to push the 1st pin upward?

db


My apologies, I didn't acurately convery the imagery that I wanted to. The lock I'm currently working on while writing this post is a padlock i'm holding in my hands with the pins on the lower portion of the key way. So to be more specific, I hold the half diamond with the tip of the pick angled towards the pins and the handle of the pick slightly away. If that makes more sense.
[deadlink]http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6973/exodus5000ac5.jpg
Exodus5000
 
Posts: 952
Joined: 6 Apr 2004 23:57
Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin, USA

Postby digital_blue » 6 Mar 2005 14:51

Yes, that makes quite a bit more sense. Thank you. :)

db
Image
digital_blue
Admin Emeritus
 
Posts: 9974
Joined: 6 Jan 2005 15:16
Location: Manitoba

Postby rayman452 » 6 Mar 2005 15:14

I read that, but isnt that still raking the pins essentially? I mean, your pulling your pic over the pins, and causing them to bind? If its not, I havent been raking, I've been ripping, whic would explain a bit...
Dudley Cracking Team Initiator And Leader
ke ke, now Im special...
rayman452
 
Posts: 439
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 11:00
Location: Canada, EH?!?!

Postby bigbike » 6 Mar 2005 15:18

As I was reading I was thinking the same thing, that this is basically raking the pins rather than picking the pins.
Student of Locksmithing and banjo player, so I am always pickin and grinin!
bigbike
 
Posts: 80
Joined: 29 Jan 2005 13:33
Location: Brookhaven, Pa

Postby digital_blue » 6 Mar 2005 15:39

I don't know if I've got all the terminology right, but as I understood it, this would be raking, whereas a quick back and forth motion would be called scrubbing. I'm only going by what I've picked up reading here and there.

db
Image
digital_blue
Admin Emeritus
 
Posts: 9974
Joined: 6 Jan 2005 15:16
Location: Manitoba

Postby vector40 » 6 Mar 2005 16:55

I've heard three terms -- raking, ripping, and scrubbing -- used for only two techniques. "Scrubbing" is fairly unambiguous, and consists of gentle back-and-forth motions to "push" the pins above the shear line. Raking is sometimes used to denote the same method, and sometimes to mean the same as "ripping," which involves insert the pick to the back, applying VERY gentle tension, and withdrawing it quickly so that it slides along the bottom of each pin, "tapping" it and -- with the energy imparted from your outward pull -- bouncing the driver pin upward.

I've heard it called "bouncing," as well. We need to standardize this terminology...
vector40
 
Posts: 2335
Joined: 7 Feb 2005 3:12
Location: Santa Cruz, CA

Postby toomush2drink » 6 Mar 2005 20:41

Just to add to this thread some locks respond to a lot of tension using this technique. Its amazing how well it can work and also over come security pins.
toomush2drink
 
Posts: 1966
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 15:56
Location: UK london

Postby silent » 6 Mar 2005 22:49

The SO sawtooth can do dammage but results for me are just insane.
silent
 
Posts: 303
Joined: 9 Jan 2004 17:38
Location: St.louis

Postby Peaky » 7 Mar 2005 6:41

SO picks need a fine emry before use or else as silent states the burr can destroy the pins and badly mark the keyway.
Peaky
 
Posts: 459
Joined: 24 Oct 2004 10:43
Location: Derbyshire, UK

Postby SFGOON » 7 Mar 2005 7:47

I think that the moral of this story is "it's a good idea to learn as many picking techniques as you can" Pin by pin picking has never worked for me, for example, I prefer profile picks or ripping, but these won't work for all combinations, especailly when there's pins that are low/high. That makes me have to go pin by pin :cry:
"Reverse the obvious and the truth will present itself." - Carl Jung
SFGOON
Admin Emeritus
 
Posts: 2160
Joined: 9 Sep 2004 14:04
Location: Puget Sound, WA

Postby JoR » 7 Mar 2005 12:49

SFGOON wrote:I think that the moral of this story is "it's a good idea to learn as many picking techniques as you can" Pin by pin picking has never worked for me, for example, I prefer profile picks or ripping, but these won't work for all combinations, especailly when there's pins that are low/high. That makes me have to go pin by pin :cry:




You're the same as me mate. Although recently I've been practising alot more pin by pin. Raking seems like cheating in a way.
JoR
 
Posts: 64
Joined: 22 Aug 2004 10:53

Postby kodierer » 7 Mar 2005 18:48

I use this technique with quite a bit of success on Masterlocks. Master No3 opens in about 1 second with this technique. I prefere to use the half ball to the half diamond however. Also try laying the pick flat down in the keyway once the "first pin" has been set then do your "rip"
Image
kodierer
 
Posts: 819
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 12:45
Location: Utah

Next

Return to Pick-Fu [Intermediate Skill Level]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests