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Padlock shims:

Postby marso » 22 May 2004 2:54

Padlock shims:

Written by Varjeal, viewtopic.php?t=1041

What are padlock shims?

Padlock shims are formed pieces of thin yet stiff metal designed to take advantage of mechanical imperfections and tolerances in the latching design of some popular brands/models of locks. In other words, they are a bypass tool, not a pick.

You can see what they look like here: http://www.lockpickshop.com/page/LPS/PROD/SPT/SPS-20

What do they do?

By slipping a shim between the (toe, heel, or both as required) and the actual latching bar of the padlock, it will allow the shackle to be pulled out of the lock without the use of a key or pick.

Do they work on all padlocks?

No. Many of the popular brand of quality padlocks now use a double-ball locking system that will actual wreck the shim if used. On old Master padlocks, and on some newer no-name or hardware brands this bypass technique may still work if the latching bar system is used.

Why do most places sell them in large packs, aren't they resuable?

Yes, they are reusuable, but since they are made of thin metal and may get damaged during normal use, they are generally considered a throw-away item. That is, if you get more than 5 uses out of a single shim you are probably fortunate.

How do I tell if they have a locking ball system?

Open the lock and look into the hole the shackle sits in. You'll be able to tell immediately just by looking.

How do I make padlock shims?

Basically you get a thin piece of metal or file a larger piece so its small enough. Basically shims are so cheap and homemade ones normally suck so just buy some.

viewtopic.php?t=1996
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Tubular locks:

Postby marso » 22 May 2004 2:58

Tubular locks:

How do I make a tubular lockpick?

Get a key look at it and try to work it out. Look on the web at pictures of a tubular pick and try to think about it. Work out how a tubular lock works and you should be able to work this out.

Which tubular lockpick should I buy?

Depends on your needs, the new south ord picks seem nice but it is really a personal choice depending what you are willing ot pay and the reasons you are getting it. Could someone please write a list of picks and perhaps a review?

I see old South ord tubular picks for $x should I get it?

You have to ask yourself are you going to come across this sort of lock often. Do you have a legit reason to access these locks regularly. Do you really learn from a lock if the tool does all the work for you.

Which pick should I use for a tubular lock with an offset pin?

You can either buy a pick specifically for this or purchase an 8-pin pick and modify it.

viewtopic.php?t=2237

How can I pick a tubular lock with normal picks?

Can not be bothered answering this one. Do a search on the forum.
viewtopic.php?t=2131

How do I use a tubular lockpick?

viewtopic.php?t=349 - How to use Tubular lockpicks by DrDave
viewtopic.php?t=1904 - Videos on picking Tubular locks by Cormu
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Postby marso » 22 May 2004 3:01

Can someone please fill this out. Basically a paragraph on each sort of lock with some links where to find more info. If you have alot of questions/answers about a specific lock we will make a thread for it like the tubular lock.

Different locks:

Lever locks?

Mortice locks?

Pin tumblers?

Wafer locks?

viewtopic.php?t=1306

Tubular?

Dimple locks?

High security locks?
http://www.textfiles.com/anarchy/LOCKPI ... seclox.txt

Wow look at unique lock xyz how do I pick that?
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Postby marso » 22 May 2004 3:04

Like before can someone please answer these questions and post.

Torque/Tension related questions:

What torque wrench should I buy?

I have seen different Torque tools why would I use these?

How much torque do I need to use?

Here is a list of different torque tools and their pros and cons?


Jigglers:

I have heard of jigglers what are they?

These are normally sets for specific locks that you place in the keyway and "jiggle". Sometimes they work sometimes they do not.

How do I make jigglers?

If you can not work it out yourself then die you little monkey.
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Tension tools

Postby Romstar » 22 May 2004 13:41

Torque/Tension related questions:

What torque wrench should I buy?

The glib answer is "The one that will fit the lock". Most likely though, it would be best to start with two wrenches. Select a light and medium double sided tension wrench. Each end will be a different size. This effectively gives 4 wrenches. Consider a tulip handle style wrench if you have some of these locks. Well made wrenches are available from many suppliers.

I have seen different Torque tools why would I use these?

With the exception of the "feather touch" wrench, most other types of tension tools are gimicks. The round tension tools can assist you in learning the proper amount of tension, but will replace the feel you get from learning the proper amount with a normal tool.

Specialty tools exist for certain applications, and will be dealt with below.

Use a heavy, or very heavy bar type tension tool on damaged, seized, or very strong locks that require a lot of turning in order to open.

How much torque do I need to use?

I made mention of the feather touch wrench, and for good reason. The proper amount of tension for picking is the absolute minimum required to bind the pins. After the plug has successfully been picked, you may require more tension to turn the latching mechanism.

Here is a list of different torque tools and their pros and cons

Spring or feather touch: Used to cope with multiple security pins such as mushroom and spool pins.
SouthOrd's feather touch wrench:
http://www.southord.com/images/fullsize/a2.jpg
Pros: Excellent light tension on security type pins.
Cons: Difficult to apply more than the minimum amount of tension.

I-Core tension tool: Tension tools designed to fit into the bottom holes of different types of interchangable core format cylinders. The purpose is to remove the core while picking the lock.
This link is lockpicks.com, and shows the I-Core tools:
http://www.lockpicks.com/index.asp?Page ... ProdID=318
This link is Perterson International's I-Core tools page. Some excellent examples:
http://www.peterson-international.com/i-CORE.htm
Pros: The ability to remove the I-Core
Cons: Sometimes difficult to keep in place. Some newer I-Core systems have modified the holes.

2-Finger (normal and adjustable): Commonly used in wafer type locks.
HPC's fixed 2 finger wrench:
http://www.hpcworld.com/lockhpc/p_dsidet.htm
Adjustable 2 finger tool at lockpicks.com:
http://www.lockpicks.com/index.asp?Page ... &ProdID=56
Pros: Stable tension in wafer style locks.
Cons: Can sometimes impeed access to the wafers.

Round tension tools: A variable tension tool designed to provide an exact metered amount of tension. Equipted with two fingers for stabilization in the lock plug.
This link is for HPC's variable round tension tools:
http://www.hpcworld.com/lockhpc/p_tnt.htm
Pros: Allows user to exert an exact amount of tension.
Cons: Bulky, can slip, and sometimes impeeds the pins.
Also usable on wafer style locks.

Flat bar tension tool: These tools are the most common tension tool found in lock pick sets. They offer the most usablity of any tool, and are most likely the best method for tensioning a lock. There are a few variations such as, half twist, double twist, and tulip profile.
This link shows a collection of HPC's standard flat bar tension tools:
http://www.hpcworld.com/lockhpc/p_standt.htm
This is a closer look at the tulip tension tool:
http://www.hpcworld.com/lockhpc/p_tulipt.htm
SouthOrd's tulip tension tool:
http://www.southord.com/images/fullsize/TW-20.jpg
These are SouthOrd's standard tension tools:
http://www.southord.com/images/fullsize/TW-03-15%20.jpg
Pros: Excellent selection, control, and feedback. Abilty to manually adjust amount of tension by simply pressing harder or easing off.
Cons: Can bend tool, can sometimes slip out of lock. Requires practice to use effectively.

Perterson's Schlage Everest tension tool:
http://www.peterson-international.com/tensiontools.htm
Pros: Engages the locking pin in the Everst lock.
Cons: Expensive, and can sometimes impeed picking.

Schlage wafer lock tools:
http://www.lockpicks.com/index.asp?Page ... &ProdID=37
Pros: Provides excellent picking and turning of this mechansim.
Cons: The Schlage wafer is no longer a common lock.

Plug Spinner: The last thing I am going to mention here is the plug spinner. While you are picking, you may discover that you have opened the lock in the wrong direction. IE: You are turning in the locking direction. Also, you may discover that it is easier to pick the lock in the wrong direction. For whatever reason, you now have an open lock cylinder, and you need to turn it the other way. Either you can relock the cylinder, or you can use the plug spinner. Wind it up, insert the blade, and let it go. It should spin the plug so fast that it flips to the other direction without allowing it to lock. Here is a picture of a spinner:
http://www.southord.com/images/fullsize/a5-pgs.jpg
Pros: Allows user to correct an improper turning direction.
Cons: Is sometimes not fast enough. Wind the puppy up!

Jigglers:

I have heard of jigglers what are they?

These are normally sets for specific locks that you place in the keyway and "jiggle", similar to a raking technique. Sometimes they work sometimes they do not.
The are most commonly found in automotive lockout kits. Because of the complexity of normal door locks, and the huge variety of keyways and pinning arangements, "jigglers" are not commonly used for building style locks. If you do have a non automotive set, they are most effective in wafer style locks as found in desks, and filing cabinets.

This link is for a wafer "jiggler" set.
http://www.lockpicks.com/index.asp?Page ... &ProdID=36

How do I make jigglers?

Jiggler patterns are available on the internet, and in several books. I do not feel that they are useful because of their limited use.
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U.S. National Average Price List

Postby Varjeal » 29 Jun 2004 11:07

I hope this link works. It's the U.S. National Average Price List from '03 reprinted from the Locksmith Ledger:

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/GilRayTool ... AvgPL.html
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Re: New to picking

Postby john doe » 29 Mar 2005 10:00

Dear Marso,

I am a complete newbie, and I found your FAQ most interesting. However, when I click on the link under the question: "How can I hold the lock?" below, I receive the following message: "The topic or post you requested does not exist". Perhaps the link is incorrect?

Thanks,
John

marso wrote:New to picking:

How do I pick locks?

By understanding how locks work and practice is how you will pick locks.

Read:
http://www.lysator.liu.se/mit-guide/mit-guide.html
viewtopic.php?t=588
http://home.howstuffworks.com/lock-picking.htm

I have just started picking but cannot get through lock xzy?

You need to find a picture of the lock, some specifications, and the exact model else we are blowing in the wind. I would suggest dropping this lock and going with a practice lock recommended below.

I wish to go out and buy a good lock to practice with, what should I get?

Kwickset lock or some no brand locks. Also check to see if it mentions “pick resistant” or similar, if it does find another lock.

List of practice locks from the UK:
viewtopic.php?t=1543

Ok, I know I need some practice locks now where do I get them from?

The below link has some good suggestions where to obtain practice locks from.
Hardware, yard sales, flea markets, rubbish tip or ask a locksmith.

viewtopic.php?p=7454

What direction do you pick the lock?

This all depends on the lock. Normally think what way you turn this lock when using a key, and pick it in this direction. Alot of the times I find clockwise works. If you can only pick in the opposite direction required to unlock the knob see the FAQ about “plug spinners”.

viewtopic.php?t=542

What order should I pick the pins “front to back” or “back to front”?

Neither. It is a unwritten rule that you should try to start at the back. In reality you try to see which pin is hardest to push up and then move onto the next hardest pin to push up. Keep in mind as you push one pin up another may become harder to push up so you will have to try all pins each time.

viewtopic.php?t=1353

How do you know when a pin is set?

The pin should not have any pressure from the spring. Since the spring is holding the top pin on the shear line. So you should be able to push the bottom pin up when it is set and it will fall by gravity only.

viewtopic.php?t=1339


What is raking (scrubbing)?

This is when you apply torque place the pick in the back of the lock and then pull the pick out slowly while applying pressure to the pins.

http://www.blackmarket-press.net/info/lock/chapter6.htm

Why should I pick when I can rake most things open?

Raking is a technique commonly used to open locks. As we are trying to learn how to lock pick I would suggest practicing with single pin picking. Raking is generally less precise and will not work on more advanced locks.

viewtopic.php?t=61

Is raking/picking bad for the lock?

If you do it correctly your lock will work just fine after you have picked it. If you use too much pressure or torque and your lock is in bad condition or you are just unlucky the lock may stop working. If you are worried get a practice lock (see above).

viewtopic.php?t=1134

How can I hold the lock?

Different ways to hold the lock when picking include; a lock in a door, padlock in your hand, cylinder in your hand, cylinder in a vice, mount cylinder on a piece of wood, make a lock workstation.

viewtopic.php?t=1457

I can only get through lock xyz will I ever improve? How long till I get good?

If you practice and understand locks you will get better. It may take years of practicing each day to get really good a locks. This is a hobby that you will get out only as much as you put in.
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Postby bigbike » 29 Mar 2005 18:50

Well, jd:
There is always more than one way to skin the cat-in this case try using the search button and input holding the lock.

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Postby Mad Mick » 29 Mar 2005 21:21

JD:
You have a valid point here. (thanks for searching and trying to help yourself before posting)

The link is probably invalid due to old posts being cleaned/deleted by the mods. I got the same reply from clicking the link BTW.

FYI, Marso is no longer active on the forum, but during his time spent here, he could be considered the uber_search-meister.

Regarding "How can I hold the lock?", the best way is the one which works for you. You can hold the lock (padlock or doorknob/deadlock) with the pins pointing downwards (jagged edge of the key upwards) and pick the pins in an upward motion, or the opposite, with the pins pointing upwards. Some may wish to pick with the pins in a sideways hold.

All the above are useful, the more situations you are comfortable picking in, the better your all-round ability will be....i.e. it's fine to be able to pick a lock on your knee, but could you pick the same lock up-side down?

HTH,
Mick.
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Postby JohnB847 » 5 May 2005 17:41

The links on the following page are broken:

http://www.lysator.liu.se/mit-guide/mit-guide.html

Thanks.
John
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Postby WhiteHat » 5 May 2005 21:46

try the PDF version also available from that site - we don't run it so we can't fix the links unfortunately. but most people I know just go and download the pdf version
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Postby New-York-Locksmith » 7 Sep 2006 7:09

can you post the link for the pdf version - can't seem to find it... :cry:
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Postby WhiteHat » 7 Sep 2006 7:19

Oh look! it's 2016!
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Cheers mate

Postby New-York-Locksmith » 10 Sep 2006 7:14

thanks Whitehat...appreciate it
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Postby Lockdown27 » 3 Oct 2006 16:15

How much tension are you supposed to use?
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