annoyance: unable to get keys copied

[lockedin]

You guys might have had this same problem also. If you have bought generic versions of "the club" (the one's with the lock that looks like a plus sign) for the steering wheel, do you find the keys unable to be copied anywhere? I've been to several locksmiths now, one told me he had once had blanks but no more. I don't think it is worth it to contact China for replacements. I don't think this is some obscure key because there must be thousands of people with these clubs...

[Grudge]

Ripped from http://www.talkaboutprofessions.com/group/alt.locksmithing/messages/98279.html

"I found these numbers:
ILCO XPA1(Silca XPZ2,Orion XPA1)
or..
ILCO XPA2(Silca XPZ2,Orion XPA2)
..."

[lockedin]

Thanks--
I knew I wasn't the only one with this problem

[Shrub]

Whatever you do dont rely on such security devices to secure your car, they can be removed with NO tools whatsoever in SECONDS!!!

[lockedin]

Maybe so, but that's a few more seconds than the car parked by me with no security device. It's like the story about two guys being chased by a bear, the guy who lives need not run faster than the bear, just faster than the second guy In that same sense, the thief might overlook my car for a car that looks just a tiny bit more vulnerable.

[raimundo]

Look for the Papaiz website, I believe that is an italian company that moved to Brazil. They make a lot of cruciform key locks. They may even have something about key machines and blanks. Just google 'Papaiz Locks'

[Shrub]

Maybe so, but that's a few more seconds than the car parked by me with no security device. It's like the story about two guys being chased by a bear, the guy who lives need not run faster than the bear, just faster than the second guy In that same sense, the thief might overlook my car for a car that looks just a tiny bit more vulnerable.

Of course you are totally right, as a word of caution though, the sport around my area over the last few years has been for kids to break into cars and remove the 'club' or whatever is on and just leave it on the roof of the car, i suppose they think it shows how clever they are etc etc for the owner to come back to find the car totally unsecured with the door open, and ex even had her entire car contents spread all over the carpark (including her clothes etc which she was moving to her new house at the time)

[rayman452]

Yea, those locks are easy to pick also, mind you, I only had the normal wafer lock, not an X pattern.

[lockedin]

And I don't know why they do this, but many of the clubs with wafers have the keys cut like double wafers on both sides yet the lock itself only has one side pinned.

[Ezer]

Maybe they think that the kind of people who are putting their faith in a cheap wafer lock to protect their car might have trouble figuring out how to correctly insert a key. They're just thinking of their customers.

[digital_blue]

And I don't know why they do this, but many of the clubs with wafers have the keys cut like double wafers on both sides yet the lock itself only has one side pinned.

I suspect it is so you can insert the key either way and it will work. Little bit of convenience, if not great security.

db

[lockedin]

They might as well have put in the other side of pins It is already low-security enough.

[Shrub]

But then production cost would go up