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Abloy "fibre" picks

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Abloy "fibre" picks

Postby skeleton » 30 Aug 2005 5:09

Hey all, quick question/theory.
With the abloy classic, the discs dont have a locking bar (like protec) .
So with the discs, if they can be individually rotated, would a "fibre" pick do the job of picking the lock.
My theory was, if the individual disc is rotated by something resembling a miniature bottle brush, there would be minimal friction on the discs, so when the gate lines up, that particular disk will stop rotating and the pick would simply brush over it. The turning of the "fibre" pick would continue until all the discs are aligned, hence opening the lock. The pick would have an end which would turn the last disc (fixed to mechanism) and the bottle brush part would be on a hollow tube(going over the actual pick) to allow rotation of the discs before the actual lock was turned.
Any thoughts/coments would be highly appreciated
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Postby Varjeal » 30 Aug 2005 9:57

Sounds generally feasible...tension or turning force would have to be precise though.
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Postby zeke79 » 30 Aug 2005 10:10

I am not familiar with abloy so this may not be a problem at all, but what about false notches in the disks?
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Postby Chucklz » 30 Aug 2005 12:17

I think the issue here would be with the precision of the false notches. Check out Han Fey's latest paper on Abloys at toool.nl To me, the false notches look like they are made when the disc is stamped out. Probably sloppy tolerances. This may make aligning all discs at all times impossible with this technique. Worth exploring though.
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Postby skeleton » 30 Aug 2005 17:19

Do the clasics have false gates? The ones I have seen didn't, hence why I thought of this. But, yeah, if all abloys now have false gates, then maybe i might have to look into it further
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Postby skeleton » 30 Aug 2005 17:23

PS, if tension needed to be prescise. i suppose spring tension, similiar to the circular tension tools, would do the trick. It would be a case of try and see. Too much would bind the bar, too little would do nothing.
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